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post #11 of 20 Old 12-29-2009, 04:08 PM
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Pennywort will do you great, super fast growing weed, will absorb excess nut.

You can either leave the tank with a break or switch it back after few months. Me personally I actually started enjoy it, cause its in the office, so its on later/ longer at night then the others and I can watch fish & spent time with you guys here

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post #12 of 20 Old 01-31-2010, 04:47 PM Thread Starter
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OK ladies and gents here it is after starting Excel + Siesta, the brush algea seems to be getting better, the bananas are almost all green, the sword is getting better as well I believe. One of the plants is so dark green in color, its hard to tell if its getting better or not. My new pennywort seems to have developed some brush algea on it. The green algea comes back, but at a much slower pace, my gravel however stays green in the center very front of the tank (where the most light throughout the day is from outside the tank I guess because where my big fake plant casts a shadow the gravel is the same as it was brand new.
The bad stuff, one of the leaves seems to be dying off from the sword, the bananas do not sprout leave higher then 1-2 inches, at which point they die off and grow new ones. My red wendtii that was attached to some smal DW was beautiful, then leaves started falling off, then the root system decayed and now I'm left with 1-2 small leaves on the dw, and I moved 2-3 bigger leaves/roots elsewhere. The pennywort is growing I think, I hope. Anubias barteri grew a new leaf since I bought it, and seems to be the same size for ever now, thats also the one in worst shape from the brush algea.
Oh, ever since Excel, or siesta I started getting some sand like coating on the back of the tank, when I wipe it off it appears theres some green algea present there as well, this is new.
Is it possible with the small amount of plants that I have in here, I do not need to use ferts? Any ideas are welcome, I will probably be remodelling a bit in there soon anyway and try to clean off as much of algea as possible from everything while moving things around.
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post #13 of 20 Old 01-31-2010, 05:05 PM
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Do you get direct sunlight on your tank, what are the phosphate nitrate levels?
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post #14 of 20 Old 01-31-2010, 05:25 PM
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You balance is outta wack between available nutrition and lights and fish...otherwise you'd not see the issue of the green slime returning and yet at the same time your plants doing bad. Plant leaf's that are real badly affected by the brush I'd just pinch them off.
What tank size was that again? And just how many of what plants do you have in there? Exactly what lights do you have on there?
You need to work on your balance there....sorry to hear it didn't work too well for you first try around but it'll get there don't give up

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post #15 of 20 Old 01-31-2010, 06:45 PM
I don't know what your ferts say but mine say I can use twice weekly so I do. I noticed that when I adjusted a couple things because of poor plant health, I had to adjust other things to balance it all out. I wonder if adding the excel and adjusting the lights (although the overall time they are on is the same, no?) will cause you to want to add a second dosage of nutrients, or two smaller doses, during the week instead of one, so that light will continue to be the limiting factor, thus reducing the algae problem.

Byron has mentioned sometimes that when we begin something new in the tank (for instance, i recently stopped using excel) to wait a two week period and notice results. It seems like your results came sooner this time, but maybe if you make an adjustment to your ferts (or something else), you will see a difference within the next two weeks that will support or refute the addition of the second fert. And if it is having a negative effect, at least you know and can stop it before it does too much damage. Believe me, brother, I've been on the trial and error fish curriculum for months now : )

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post #16 of 20 Old 01-31-2010, 07:54 PM
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My red wendtii that was attached to some smal DW was beautiful, then leaves started falling off, then the root system decayed and now I'm left with 1-2 small leaves on the dw, and I moved 2-3 bigger leaves/roots elsewhere.
If this is Cryptocoryne wendtii, it is common for the plant to "melt" with a significant change in water parameters, such as what you would cause with changing fertilizers and using Excel (carbon). The roots do not normally die, so leave it planted and it should recover in days or weeks, depends. I don't understand about this plant being on wood, is it rooted in the wood?

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Anubias barteri grew a new leaf since I bought it, and seems to be the same size for ever now, thats also the one in worst shape from the brush algea.
Anubias is a very slow growing plant, so this is natural. Also it is very prone to brush algae, probably due to the slow growth and tough leaves.

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Oh, ever since Excel, or siesta I started getting some sand like coating on the back of the tank, when I wipe it off it appears theres some green algea present there as well, this is new.
Is it possible with the small amount of plants that I have in here, I do not need to use ferts?
Adding Excel is adding carbon, and the other nutrients (in the liquid fert) will be needed to balance the carbon and light. Twice a week with the Flourish may work as long as you are still using Excel. Your light is bright, leave it as is and increase the Flourish to twice a week (the amount on the label, no more, or you'll have other problems). This is probably the cause of new algae as well. Plants will outcompete algae normally but they need nutrients to balance the light and carbon.

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post #17 of 20 Old 01-31-2010, 11:51 PM Thread Starter
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Actually I misnamed the red wendtii when I was IDing my plants, and it stuck in my head. You suggested it was the nymphaea lotus previously. I'm not sure if it was rooted IN the wood, but it came attached, and grew long roots into the substrate after I put it in my tank.
Anyway, the effects have all been positive since I started using Excel and the siesta (except the lotus I guess), but it appears more can be done and will hope that increasing the ferts does this.
I'll keep everyone updated!
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post #18 of 20 Old 02-01-2010, 08:34 AM
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Now apart from everything else that's easy to figure out about the plants...below a picture of my Red Tiger Lotus (aka nymphaea) is that what you have?

I truly know by all means just how nerve wreaking this can be; when I dealt with these 5 diff algae growing in the new set up 55g I had times I wanted to shoot this tank; simply because I didn't have the patience to test & wait any more; I don't know if you had seen my updated before & after pictures...but really if you hang in there, change one thing at a time until that point where the balance is there again and the alage does start subsiding and vanishes for good it'll be WELL worth it trust me!!!
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post #19 of 20 Old 02-01-2010, 09:56 AM Thread Starter
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Yes angel it looks something like that, but much MUCH smaller.
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post #20 of 20 Old 02-01-2010, 11:31 AM
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Well yea...mine started small too with like 3 leaf's lol....you're will get there too

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