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post #11 of 43 Old 11-23-2011, 05:35 AM
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We eat hot dog's don't we? these are comprised of all sort's of unmentionable part's of animals.
Could be fish meal is comprised of..eyeball's,entrails,fish lips?
I tend to ignore most of what's on label with respect to fish foods and focus on what the fish need that maybe is not provided otherwise with one or two food's.
Dropped a whole rubbermaid tub of flake yesterday on shag rug.(did manage to scoop up a little,vaccumed the rest.)
Look's like I'm off to replenish today .

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post #12 of 43 Old 11-23-2011, 07:19 AM
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Please provide your source for this statement.

The process alone of making meal, fish or otherwise, doesn't make it a low quality end product.


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Fishmeal can be made from almost any type of seafood but is generally manufactured from wild-caught, small marine fish that contain a high percentage of bones and oil, and is usually deemed not suitable for direct human consumption. The fish caught for fishmeal purposes solely are termed “industrial”.
This is what I could find online.. its from wikipedia so take it for what its worth. :P
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We eat hot dog's don't we? these are comprised of all sort's of unmentionable part's of animals.
Imagine what would likely happen if all you ever ate was hot dogs.

Thank-you - that's exactly the point here.

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post #14 of 43 Old 11-23-2011, 10:22 AM
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I know in dog and cat food that it often means lower quality than what's "fit for human consumption". Why would companies pay more for a good ingredient when there's a bunch of waste left over from the human food industry that is much cheaper? Usually if companies go to the expense of using better quality, they'll advertise that in hopes of seeing a return on that investment. I wish I could find more about that re: fish food.

For now I'm sticking with Omega One because I've had good experiences.

But I'm still looking for some documentation. This might take emails to companies, I don't know...

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We eat hot dog's don't we? these are comprised of all sort's of unmentionable part's of animals.
Could be fish meal is comprised of..eyeball's,entrails,fish lips?
It undoubtedly is but that doesn't make it unfit for fish consumption or even low quality. After all, every time a fish eats another fish it is eating the eyeballs, lips, entrails, and everything else.

Besides that, I guarantee you that in many parts of the world that are impoverished, when they have a fish to eat, the entire fish gets consumed and not just the boneless filet like we do here. (ever hear of fish head soup?)
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This is what I could find online.. its from wikipedia so take it for what its worth. :P
"Fish meal has been widely used as a supplemental protein source for many years primarily for monogastric animals. Two basic types of fish meal are produced; 1) produced from fishery waste (salmon, tuna, etc.) that are associated with the processing of various edible human fishery products and 2) when specific fish (herring, menhaden, pollack, etc.) are harvested just for the purpose to produce fish meal."

Fish meal

My point being, fish meal in itself doesn't necessarily mean a low quality food product. It can, and often is, deliberately made with high standards of freshness and ingredients.

No one has mentioned TetraMin, which has got to be one of the most popular, and longest in production fish foods of all time, has fish meal as their first ingredient. It's sold in every fish store I've ever been in, and I'd be willing to bet Tetra has a gaggle of experts in their labs making sure their product is high quality and nutritious for fish.
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Imagine what would likely happen if all you ever ate was hot dogs.

Thank-you - that's exactly the point here.
Imagine what would likely happen if all you ever ate was [blankety-blank]

Fill in the blank with anything you want and it still wouldn't be good for you.

I'm being devil's advocate in this discussion, of course. But I haven't seen anything compelling yet that says fish meal HAS to be a bad thing.
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I was reading a bit, trying to extract useful information from sources not designed around the purpose of making food for fish, but I came across this quote: "A very important measure of fish meal quality is its freedom from microorganisms that cause disease in man by contaminating the animals he eats; Salmonella is generally of most concern in this respect."

This raises the question- If the fish food we buy is designed to feed to our pet fish, and we are not supposed to eat our pet fish, can the industry then be more lax in the quality of the food and, specifically, the pathogens that may be present?

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Here's an article that puts it together nicely. Having read a bit, I recognize bits of information from other articles I'd seen. I wish he/she had noted more references, but it seems to be the best summary I've come across so far. Fish Nutrition; Quality Fish Food Ingredients for Aquatic Health

He talks about fish nutrtion, the quality differences in fish meal versus whole fish meal, advises against mixing prepared foods, live/frozen/FD/veggie options, reviews some labels, and makes some recommendations. Good stuff!

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post #20 of 43 Old 11-23-2011, 01:19 PM Thread Starter
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Imagine what would likely happen if all you ever ate was [blankety-blank]

Fill in the blank with anything you want and it still wouldn't be good for you.

I'm being devil's advocate in this discussion, of course. But I haven't seen anything compelling yet that says fish meal HAS to be a bad thing.
My research suggested that not all fish meal is created equally. Lower grades are fish or fish parts (heads, bones, guts) of undefined fish species. Higher grades are made from whole fish of specific species.
Fresh proteins bind ingredients together just fine (think of an egg or a hamburger). But once processed, as in fish meal, they require a binder to hold them together. This is usually a starch like wheat, soy, oat flours or gluten. This binder also 'helps' in increasing the crude protein in the analysis. This binder/filler is most often very high in the ingredient list. Some feel that binder/fillers are not in the best nutritional interests in any food. In nature, how would a fish consume large quantities of wheat, soy, or oat flour?
The fish does not live by bread alone

I don't know that fish meal is bad. But I would suggest that some of it is not all that good. I'd also suggest that foods with fillers and artificial flavors and colors just maybe aren't as healthy as those without.

Bottom line - be aware of the ingredients and decide for yourself.

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....think of all the time, money and effort we spend on water quality. Cycling, filters, filter media and bio-media, test kits and testing, gravel siphoning, plants and/or routine weekly water changes... and then, we just might feed our fish low quality fish food? What are we thinking? The water they swim in is more important than the food they eat? Doh

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