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Old 02-13-2010, 09:10 PM   #1
 
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Time to stock?

Most of ya may not by now from the journal I started. If not, my 55g is planted since Sat. night.
The week prior all it had was the eco complete in it. I added a few fish food flakes each day as the eco said it contained live bacteria. I drained 50-60% of the water, planted it, and took reading today.
Ph 7.6
Ammonia not qite .25 ppm
nitrites 0
nitrates 30 ppm
To have nitrates there has to be a cycle going or darn near completed. Yes/no?
I'm thinking of getting about 5 Danios tomorrow, Feb 14. What ya all think?
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:39 PM   #2
 
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Most of ya may not by now from the journal I started. If not, my 55g is planted since Sat. night.
The week prior all it had was the eco complete in it. I added a few fish food flakes each day as the eco said it contained live bacteria. I drained 50-60% of the water, planted it, and took reading today.
Ph 7.6
Ammonia not qite .25 ppm
nitrites 0
nitrates 30 ppm
To have nitrates there has to be a cycle going or darn near completed. Yes/no?
I'm thinking of getting about 5 Danios tomorrow, Feb 14. What ya all think?
Hi,

I am sure there will be many responses to this, but if it were me I would not add them yet since there is an ammonia reading. I would wait to see how high that will go if it goes any higher. If it is seeded, it may not go real high. My 56 gallon cycled immediately after I seeded it....or at least shortly thereafter...never showed an ammonia or nitrate reading. My 14 gallon tank tricked me during the cycle and it always showed a little nitrates from the beginning. However, I did find out later that our tap has slight nitrates....very slight. I do know though that Prime or Ammo Lock (which many here do not recommend) can detoxify that amount of ammonia. The think I would worry about is, if you add the fish and there is not enough good bacteria yet, that amount of ammonia can get higher to which the Prime can no longer detoxify enough of it because it is beyond that amount that it says it can detoxify.

That is great that the Eco Complete has live bacteria in it. It should help with your cycling speed along with the plants. I will say that since your tank has more water than the 14 gallon that I am referring to of ours, and since you have way more plants, even if you did put a few small fish in there, there is a chance it would not get too high. Although, again, if it were me doing it over again, I would wait just to know that there will not be any headaches and worry for fish.

Others may have a different opinion but if mine was showing any sign of ammonia, I would wait to see what happens and just keep feeding it food. Even though it says that Prime can detox that amount of ammonia, I would still worry that the fish may detect something when you put them in there....bam, bad conditions to the fish right off the bat. If you decide to wait, you may find that it completes its cycle fast and the wait won't be that long.

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Old 02-13-2010, 09:41 PM   #3
 
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The slight ammonia reading may be because I drained half out and added fresh tap water. It may be reading the ammonium from the tap water. hmmm, my brain is thinking now.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:51 PM   #4
 
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The slight ammonia reading may be because I drained half out and added fresh tap water. It may be reading the ammonium from the tap water. hmmm, my brain is thinking now.
Was there an ammonia reading before the water change? Also, unless there is ammonia in the tap, a proper water change should not cause an ammonia reading if there is none in the tank, especially.

I hate the cycling part and I dislike having to be patient. I learned my lesson though. I just dread the stress of fish possibly struggling, etc.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:57 PM   #5
 
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The ammonia reading prior to planting was the same, maybe a slight bit higher, than the reading today. My first reading was a definite .25 ppm
Today is was slightly less but not quite 0
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:02 PM   #6
 
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The ammonia reading prior to planting was the same, maybe a slight bit higher, than the reading today. My first reading was a definite .25 ppm
Today is was slightly less but not quite 0

I am sure others will chime in. You may end up with a quick cycle. The substrate has live bacteria and you have plants. I am not sure how much these two things will help in the cycle since I have not had them before when I started to cycle a tank....just few plants in each tank that were live plants and Flourite and gravel. Were you able to seed it at all with a trustworthy store seeding? It definitely did the trick on my 56 gallon. I did not have a good enough live bacteria on the 14 gallon to seed my tank since it was not yet cycled, so I used our LFS bacteria. I also used Seachem Stability in addition ,and I used this on my new 10 gallon tank that I set up for emergencies along with some seeding from my now good 14 gallon tank...been good for several weeks now.

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Old 02-13-2010, 10:17 PM   #7
 
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The only seeding was any bacteria that is alive in the eco complete as it comes from Carib-sea. Other than that I've done nothing.
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:17 PM   #8
 
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Does your tap water test for ammonium? If yes then its no surprise you get a reading after using eg Prime or alike.
Pers I'd cycle a tank first then add fish and safe the whole headache of "Ammonia 1 and my fish act funny" with everything else happening in the fish world; I'd at least NOT wanna be responsible for that kinda loss if I know I could have prevented it.
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:19 PM   #9
 
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Yeah but they say with a heavily planted tank from the start there isn't much of a cycle. Considering I have nitrates I figured why not add some fish.
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:21 PM   #10
 
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The only seeding was any bacteria that is alive in the eco complete as it comes from Carib-sea. Other than that I've done nothing.
Maybe someone that has experience with that kind of substrate and lots of live plants during cycling will chime in. I do not know for sure how well it will help in the cycle process. If it does not do much, then I would definitely wait on it and even if it does do a lot for the cycle the fact that there is a trace of ammonia would make me not want to put fish in there because I would not know how high it could go....could go higher than what Prime can detox. But, that is just what I would do. In the end you are going to have a great tank!
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