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Three weeks into fishless cycle, no nitrites
Old 05-11-2010, 03:05 AM   #11
 
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Wow, thanks! So much useful information.

I, too, have heard that there are problems when using ammonia that contain surfactants. I made sure I bought pure ammonia.

Yes, I will be placing only one Betta in the tank. I was hoping I could get away with doing water changes every few days if I decide to cycle with the fish in. Would the ammonia really go above .25ppm within one day? That's pretty impressive. I will definitely be monitoring the water everyday, just to be sure. Also, even though it seems a number is barely anything to go by, how long would you say it would take for the tank to completely cycle if I put my Betta in? A couple of months? Longer than fishless is meant to take?
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:18 AM   #12
 
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Wow, thanks! So much useful information.

I, too, have heard that there are problems when using ammonia that contain surfactants. I made sure I bought pure ammonia.

Yes, I will be placing only one Betta in the tank. I was hoping I could get away with doing water changes every few days if I decide to cycle with the fish in. Would the ammonia really go above .25ppm within one day? That's pretty impressive. I will definitely be monitoring the water everyday, just to be sure. Also, even though it seems a number is barely anything to go by, how long would you say it would take for the tank to completely cycle if I put my Betta in? A couple of months? Longer than fishless is meant to take?
The rate at which ammonia levels rise in the aquarium is largely dependent on how often and how much food is offered.
The more we feed ,the more waste produced by the fish and sometimes excess food simply lays on the bottom of the tank and begins to decay =ammonia.
Feeding the fish once every other day and no more than you actually see him/her eat ,,will help with water quality between water changes. This is important during cycling and once the filter has matured, then a little food each day can be offered.
If as stated, the filter material is left alone (shouldn't need cleaning if fish aren't overfed) The tank will mature(cycle) within four to five weeks I should think. Is about the same for ammonia method in my expierience.
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:07 AM   #13
 
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I'm really stumped on this one. The only thing that leaps to mind is that the ammonia you're using might not be as pure as the bottle claims it is and could contain some other chemicals that are preventing any bacteria from growing in the tank, which would explain why your parameters are sitting perfectly still like that. It's scenarios like this one that have scared me off the idea of using liquid ammonia to cycle a tank.

If you can confirm that the ammonia is pure and you haven't seen a speck of nitrite and all of the ammonia added is still in the tank, then essentially you're at the same place you were the moment you dumped that dose of ammonia in the tank. Because you wouldn't be losing any ground, I would be tempted just to dump all of the water out of the tank, refill it with dechlorinated water and start over. If there's some chemical in your water (from the ammonia or otherwise) that's preventing bacterial growth, a big water change could fix that.
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Old 05-11-2010, 04:56 PM   #14
 
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I'm really stumped on this one. The only thing that leaps to mind is that the ammonia you're using might not be as pure as the bottle claims it is and could contain some other chemicals that are preventing any bacteria from growing in the tank, which would explain why your parameters are sitting perfectly still like that. It's scenarios like this one that have scared me off the idea of using liquid ammonia to cycle a tank.

If you can confirm that the ammonia is pure and you haven't seen a speck of nitrite and all of the ammonia added is still in the tank, then essentially you're at the same place you were the moment you dumped that dose of ammonia in the tank. Because you wouldn't be losing any ground, I would be tempted just to dump all of the water out of the tank, refill it with dechlorinated water and start over. If there's some chemical in your water (from the ammonia or otherwise) that's preventing bacterial growth, a big water change could fix that.
I am positive the ammonia I am using is pure. I read up a lot on ammonia as I wasn't sure where I would be able to find it. Most people use the Ace brand pure ammonia which is what I have. It's "Janitorial Strength" and contains 10% ammonium hydroxide. It does not bubble at the top when shaken, and it doesn't mention that it has any detergents or surfactants.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:21 PM   #15
 
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I just went through the fishless cycle process myself with Ammonia, it was nearly 4 weeks before I started seeing nitrite, I will tell you that my tank too sat at about 3-4 ppm from my initial dosing of ammonia, but after doing some research I realized the importance of dosing the tank with some ammonia daily, once I started dosing daily I would do a 25% water change when my ammonia reading was off the chart and at the end of the 3rd week the nitrite starting showing every so slightly, within 3 days of it showing it was up to off the chart too, I kept dosing with ammonia, and 25% water change twice a week once I had Nitrite, and by week 5 I had Nitrate, but still had to wait another week for the Nitrite to fully cycle out.

Hang in there it is worth it, I have 7 happy fish in my tank now, have had no ammonia spikes since introducing them to the tank.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:28 PM   #16
 
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I just went through the fishless cycle process myself with Ammonia, it was nearly 4 weeks before I started seeing nitrite, I will tell you that my tank too sat at about 3-4 ppm from my initial dosing of ammonia, but after doing some research I realized the importance of dosing the tank with some ammonia daily, once I started dosing daily I would do a 25% water change when my ammonia reading was off the chart and at the end of the 3rd week the nitrite starting showing every so slightly, within 3 days of it showing it was up to off the chart too, I kept dosing with ammonia, and 25% water change twice a week once I had Nitrite, and by week 5 I had Nitrate, but still had to wait another week for the Nitrite to fully cycle out.

Hang in there it is worth it, I have 7 happy fish in my tank now, have had no ammonia spikes since introducing them to the tank.
So even though you did water changes, was the ammonia level always kept at 3-5? This might be worth trying. Do I turn the filter off when doing water changes?
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:46 PM   #17
 
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Actually, I starting putting Ammonia in the water daily regardless of my readings, and once it started going off the chart, I started doing the 25% water changes, because I also read that too much ammonia can stall the cycle process, I pretty much had to do the water changes about twice a week once I starting putting ammonia in the tank every day, but like I said, I started getting nitrite pretty quickly once I did.

Regarding the filter, I do turn mine off, my tank is tall so even at 25% water removal there is not much of the filter tube left in the water.

Hope I didnt make thing more confusing
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Old 05-12-2010, 01:57 PM   #18
 
completely ignore this post i managed to miss your post about detergents in the ammonia. sorry

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Old 05-30-2010, 02:42 AM   #19
 
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Just a bit of an update:

I went ahead and added some Nutrafin Cycle on 5/12. The day after, I had a small reading for nitrite and ever since then, my nitrite readings have been through the roof (WAY off the color chart). On 5/15 I noticed my ammonia FINALLY went down (to about 3ppm). Between 5/15 and now (5/30), ammonia has stayed between 1 and 2. I haven't noticed it go down. Nitrite also has not decreased, it seems to either still be spiking and hasn't yet peaked. Nitrate readings are huge (somewhere between the colors of 80 and 160 -- it's hard to read the chart when dealing with large numbers).

So, what do you think all this means? It's been 15 days since I have seen any changes. Right now I'm basically waiting for ammonia to go down a bit more so I can add a few drops to keep the cycle going. I'm also waiting for nitrite to go down A LOT. But, two weeks? It seems as though the cycle has stalled. Will it pick up?

What if I did a small water change. Would that help?

41 days have passed since I started.
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:50 AM   #20
 
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Hmm. At this point, especially with that high nitrate reading, I would be tempted to do a water change (50% or so) and continue with the cycle.
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