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post #1 of 11 Old 09-14-2011, 09:31 AM Thread Starter
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29 Gallon



· Sand substrate
· Moderately planted
· Driftwood
· 6 cories (undecided type)
· 9+ tiger barbs

55 Gallon

· Gravel substrate
· Floating plants
· Maybe java ferns
· Driftwood
· George (common pleco)
· Swordtails
· ?

40 Gallon long

· Gravel substrate
· Rocks
· Driftwood
· Airstone
· Brighter light
· Some substrate plants
· 10 hillstream loaches
· 10 white cloud mountain minnows
· 10 golden barbs




h here is my plan for future tanks (don't have space yet, just planning ahead). does anyone see any problems with my current plans? and any suggestions for other fish for the 55 gallon tank? my water here has a pH of about 7.8, but with drift wood, my current tank (the 29 gal though not setup that way yet) is down to 7.6. that high of a pH limits what fish i can i have, but i've tried to take that into account. i currently have the common pleco, three swordtails, and 9 tiger barbs, so they are the only fish i'm set on (assuming no one dies in the next year or so til i have room for these tanks).
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post #2 of 11 Old 09-14-2011, 10:49 AM
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I wouldn't put 10 gold barb in a 40g; the 55g with the extra length (4 feet) would be better.

In the 40g for Hillstream loaches, strong current is needed. I am assuming the airstone is for this, but that won't do. A substantial filter current down the length of the tank is what you want. This is where the HOB filters are useful, if hung on the end wall. Or powerheads. This may be in the plan, can't tell as you haven't mentioned the filter.

The Java Ferns would suit the 40g better, as they manage in strong currents. Most substrate plants will not do as well.

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I wouldn't put 10 gold barb in a 40g; the 55g with the extra length (4 feet) would be better.
i'm thinking a 40 gal long, which is 4 ft long (according to what i found). would that be ok?

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In the 40g for Hillstream loaches, strong current is needed. I am assuming the airstone is for this, but that won't do. A substantial filter current down the length of the tank is what you want. This is where the HOB filters are useful, if hung on the end wall. Or powerheads. This may be in the plan, can't tell as you haven't mentioned the filter.
my plan is to have HOB filters for all tanks. for the hillstream loach tank i'm planning on having a slightly larger filter than the size of the tank requires and have the water level a little low to increase the flow and surface agitation. on the end of the tank is what i had pictured in my head, though i hadn't really thought about it. the air stone would be to supplement the agitation and oxygen content in the water.

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The Java Ferns would suit the 40g better, as they manage in strong currents. Most substrate plants will not do as well.
good to know. i will probably do java fern in both, since my swordtails haven't shown signs of eating them yet, unlike all the other plants i've tried. are there any other plants that can stand the current? i noticed the profile for the fish for that tank want plants, and i don't know what ones will work.
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i'm thinking a 40 gal long, which is 4 ft long (according to what i found). would that be ok?
Yes, but with fewer barb, 8 max. They attain 3 inches. I've not kept this species myself, so I'm not sure if they would be OK with the much smaller minnow in this small (relatively) a tank; might consider them as food.

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my plan is to have HOB filters for all tanks. for the hillstream loach tank i'm planning on having a slightly larger filter than the size of the tank requires and have the water level a little low to increase the flow and surface agitation. on the end of the tank is what i had pictured in my head, though i hadn't really thought about it. the air stone would be to supplement the agitation and oxygen content in the water.
OK. I would choose the filter size rated for the tank. The main thing is the flow, and that should be adequate.
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good to know. i will probably do java fern in both, since my swordtails haven't shown signs of eating them yet, unlike all the other plants i've tried. are there any other plants that can stand the current? i noticed the profile for the fish for that tank want plants, and i don't know what ones will work.
Anubias, though it does not like bright light, and you want light to encourage green algae for the loaches. JF closest to the filter outflow, maybe some swords further down the tank. They are OK with some flow, not just right under the outflow.

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Yes, but with fewer barb, 8 max. They attain 3 inches. I've not kept this species myself, so I'm not sure if they would be OK with the much smaller minnow in this small (relatively) a tank; might consider them as food
would a group of glowlight danio be a better option than the golden barbs? odessa barbs get about the same size as the golden barbs, so they would likely have the same possible problem.

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Anubias, though it does not like bright light, and you want light to encourage green algae for the loaches
would it work to have some floating plants at the end away from the filter and plant these under them? there wouldn't be too much of an issue keeping them at that end with the filter going. i'd have to strictly control their growth, but that shouldn't be too bad.
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would a group of glowlight danio be a better option than the golden barbs? odessa barbs get about the same size as the golden barbs, so they would likely have the same possible problem.
Given the Glowlight Danio preference for slow-flowing and shady streams, not a good fit.

Odessa should work, in a 4 foot tank there is space for floating plants at one end and it can retreat there if needed; otherwise a good fit. Same with the Rosy Barb, another good match. Some of the danio maybe.

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would it work to have some floating plants at the end away from the filter and plant these under them? there wouldn't be too much of an issue keeping them at that end with the filter going. i'd have to strictly control their growth, but that shouldn't be too bad.
Yes. Floating plants tend to move around with currents, but there are tricks to keeping them in one place. Example, if you use Brazilian Pennywort, a stem plant, just loop the end of the stem around something at that end, or have it grow up from the substrate in the far corner and then continue growing along the surface.

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so the questions is pretty much if these three inch barbs would eat the 1 and a half minnows. anyone have any experience with this issue?
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so, that pretty much covers the hillstream loaches tank. the plans for the other two look good? any one have suggestions on what other fish i could put in the 55 gal. one with the pleco and swordtails?
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so the questions is pretty much if these three inch barbs would eat the 1 and a half minnows. anyone have any experience with this issue?
I keep gold barbs with whitecloud minnows and have not had any issues yet. The gold barb's favor the lower regions of the tank and the whiteclouds the upper regions in my expieriences thus far.
I would choose these over rosy barb's that would in my view get too large.

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I would choose these over rosy barb's that would in my view get too large.
the profiles say that both get up to 3 inches...?
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