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post #41 of 55 Old 02-23-2009, 05:32 AM
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Well, I have to side w/ OF2F on this issue. In the wild we are talking big rivers, streams, large bodys of water, etc and you know the old say, "The solution to pollution is dilution". When faced with high levels of ammonia or acid fish can just swim off in another direction. Out tanks are a very confined space and I feel pristine water quality is in order and should be maintained that way. JMHO...
I agree 100 percent . In a glass box of water there are no tides such as found in the oceans, no currents such as found in streams, and no rains to dilute or carry away pollutants. Water changes in the aquarium are the way to keep healthy fish healthy and should be done on a regular basis.

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post #42 of 55 Old 02-23-2009, 05:49 PM
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25% each time, spread out though, atleast 6 hrs. separate.

I missed this mornings water change but did a 25% change when I got home tonight. I also took a packed filter cartridge from work and stuffed it under the sponge in my aquaclear. Also removed the bag of ammochips/charcoal from my filter.

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I missed this mornings water change but did a 25% change when I got home tonight. I also took a packed filter cartridge from work and stuffed it under the sponge in my aquaclear. Also removed the bag of ammochips/charcoal from my filter.

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your welcome, best of luck

sounds like your on your way towards success.

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many fish can't swim away like the south asia back water streams i was trying to describe another example is the devils hole pup fish many of these fish live in near puddles between rain storms i'm not advocating poor water quality i'm just making the point that there are many species of fish that can tolerate low levels of toxins

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In my mind,, Tolerating low levels of toxins and Thriving in same,, are two very different animals.I have seen common bullhead catfish burrow down into the mud in otherwise dried up ponds only to emerge after rains have come and replenished the water. In the aquarium,,, It becomes critical that toxins are removed and kept at a minimum in order for fish to thrive. Even moderate or low levels of ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates affect the ability of fishes blood to absorb/hold oxygen thereby increasing respiration and stress levels which some ,, including myself, associate with increase in suceptibility to pathogens,bacterial infections,fungul infections and or parasites. Best prevention is to train ones efforts not so much on keeping fish, but rather on keeping water.

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post #46 of 55 Old 02-25-2009, 10:43 PM
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we were talking about the four weeks during cycling here not the entire life of the tank my point was some fish can handle unstable conditions for the four weeks your tank cycles.

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just because a fish can "handle" conditions doesnt mean you need to put them through them. in alot of cases fish will be alive but will not thrive.
during the cycling process, fish exposed to high ammonia/nitrite levels experience internal damage and gill burn which leads to a shorter life span. they will also show faded colors and have greater risk of disease.
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post #48 of 55 Old 02-25-2009, 11:18 PM
I've tried fiashless method few times and with fish. I had experienced different results every time as far as duration with fishless cycle. I personaly would do cycling with fish (average of 6 weeks)w/o exposing them to toxic levels of NH3, NO2 which can be easily controlled with amt of fish and food given and also water changes when necessary. Besides, once have one well established tank, can cycled new tank with fish in no time w/o so called mini-cycle. Have done it for aoround 4 decades. When setting up Breeding/rearing/hospital/ quarnatine tank, who has time to wait. Would use water (50-75%) and some gravel from old tank, then it is done as long as avoid overloading bioload. In any tank, however cycled, should avoid overloading at once anyway, IMO.
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post #49 of 55 Old 02-26-2009, 05:39 AM
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many fish can't swim away like the south asia back water streams i was trying to describe another example is the devils hole pup fish many of these fish live in near puddles between rain storms i'm not advocating poor water quality i'm just making the point that there are many species of fish that can tolerate low levels of toxins
For every fish that you can think of that can tolerate low levels of toxins (there's a reason they are called toxins) I can name a dozen or more that don't. It is possible to use fish for allowing an immature tank to mature or (cycle) without toxic levels of ammonia or nitrites along with fishless method as well. It makes no sense to do otherwise IMHO.

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post #50 of 55 Old 02-26-2009, 08:21 AM
Why would you want to expose your fish to something harmful or stressful if it can be avoided? Sorry, I just had tro put my 2 cents in.
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