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post #21 of 122 Old 09-29-2009, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
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hey guys, i found a 50g aquarium with a wooden stand, its 75bucks on craigslist, should i get it? i called about it and im gonna check it out tommorow. i'd really like to have the bigger aquarium but im not sure if its going to effect the difficulty of the aquarium plans, i know it will be more expensive ( more substrate, more water, bigger filter, lights, ect) but im up for that part. i am confident that with ya'lls continued help i will have no problems
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post #22 of 122 Old 09-29-2009, 07:54 PM
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If it looks good, and you're up for it, go for it. Got any pics of it ATM?? It really shouldn't change the plans much, if at all.

I wish I had a bigger FW tank, I got a 16 gallon, which I'm starting to get back into. (got into the salt water realm of the hobby ;) ) It gives you more stocking options, plus more options for your aquascaping as well. It'l just take more of your time during your scheduled maintenance (as you know =))

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post #23 of 122 Old 09-29-2009, 09:04 PM Thread Starter
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yeah, my gf bought me the emperor 280 filter the other day as previously posted, if i get the 50g im gonna return it for the emperor 400. might go back and get another peice of small mopani to consume more space of the larger aquarium. what do you recommend for the filter media? one of you said just to empty the e size cartridge and use the blue part of the filter with no carbon? ill be making a trip to a few different pet stores on friday so im making a list of things needed.
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For my emperor 400, I have bought filter media from Dr Fosters, they come with clam shell frames. The frames are great for putting together your own media. Aquarium Filter Media: Drs. Foster & Smith Bio3 Emperor 280 and 400 Filter Cartridges

Sometimes I buy the bonded blue pads to fill the clam shell frame, you can find that for cheap in bulk on Ebay. I also use Polly fill batting from Walmart. You can buy queen size batting at Walmart and it last a long time. If you go that route, buy the cheap stuff with no chemicals added. (not flame retardant)

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twistersmom- So you just trim the batting to the size needed, And simply clamp it in between the clam shell frame? Nothing in between there? Not questioning, Just making sure i am not missing anything. I can go to wal mart tomorrow and pick up some batting if thats the case, then order the frame. On the website you linked me to can you get 2 frames? Because the 400 takes 2 filter cartridges right, One on each side?

Byron- I'm more than likely buying the 50g tank tomorrow if everything looks good on it, Im not exactly sure if it does or doesn't come with the lighting and top. if not, what would you suggest?

Arkamaic- Yeah if everything does check out good, I'm def. going to be getting the 50g setup. I'm going with Eco-Complete Substrate. I believe I read somewhere on the forum that theres a website that has a calculator that tells you how much susbrate you'd need to buy. I do have pictures of my current things. My 29g, the 280 Filter, And Mopani.. If i get the 50 im going to go look into antother small peice of mopani for added decor, since its a 50g im planning to take more time to learn about things. When putting that much money into something, I want it to be correct on the first attempt.



I'm hooked on the cardinal tetra look. what else could I introduce into my 50g aquarium. I've decided on a "theme, african river." Ya'll have already pre-warned me that cichlids would bother with my plants, so what else is out there that can co-exist with cardinal tetras?
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Do you mean and Amazon based theme? As Cardinals are from the Amazon Basin.

But as for good fish to company them, hatchetfish are pretty cool. Corydoras are always nice too, there are many types of these, some pretty, and some not so much, IMO. There are other types of tetras as well, such as rummy nose tetras.You could possibly try a pair of Blue Rams, tho, some caution may be needed when placing them with smaller tetras, they are known to eat them, but cardinals should be OK. The Rams are a cichlid, but known as a "New-World" Cichlid, meaning they are smaller (rams grow to about 2"-3"), and less aggressive towards non-cichlids.

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ok, I think for now im going to stick with about 7 cardinal tetras.. i love schooling fish, maybe adding 1 or 2 of the smaller cichlids wouldnt be bad after about a month of having the tank established.
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I have a Emperor 280 on my 37 gallon. I do the same as Twistersmom and use quilt batting from Walmart in the clamshell frame. It comes in a roll and I just cut it to size and put a couple layers in the clamshell. It lasts quite awhile. Just rinse it in tank water when it gets dirty and when it get really dirty just cut some new pieces. I also use a foam sponge in the filter. It's for a Rena Filstar cannister filter but fits nicely into the Emperor slot. So I have the sponge first, then the clamshell with the batting, then, of course, the biowheel. Here's a link for the sponge: Aquarium Pharmaceuticals FilStar Foam 30

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twistersmom- So you just trim the batting to the size needed, And simply clamp it in between the clam shell frame? Nothing in between there? Not questioning, Just making sure i am not missing anything. I can go to wal mart tomorrow and pick up some batting if thats the case, then order the frame. On the website you linked me to can you get 2 frames? Because the 400 takes 2 filter cartridges right, One on each.
Thats how I do it.
I think if you buy the large size box, it comes with two frames. Think the small boxes only come with one frame. Its been a while since I have ordered any, so you may want to call Fosters to make sure.

The media kit will come with some sponges that fit in side the clam shell. I use mine for extra bio support and only clean them in removed tank water. I do not run carbon, so I use 4 clam shell frames in the Emperor.

If you do not want buy 4 frames, jeaninel sponge would work well.

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twistersmom- So you just trim the batting to the size needed, And simply clamp it in between the clam shell frame? Nothing in between there? Not questioning, Just making sure i am not missing anything. I can go to wal mart tomorrow and pick up some batting if thats the case, then order the frame. On the website you linked me to can you get 2 frames? Because the 400 takes 2 filter cartridges right, One on each side?

Byron- I'm more than likely buying the 50g tank tomorrow if everything looks good on it, Im not exactly sure if it does or doesn't come with the lighting and top. if not, what would you suggest?

Arkamaic- Yeah if everything does check out good, I'm def. going to be getting the 50g setup. I'm going with Eco-Complete Substrate. I believe I read somewhere on the forum that theres a website that has a calculator that tells you how much susbrate you'd need to buy. I do have pictures of my current things. My 29g, the 280 Filter, And Mopani.. If i get the 50 im going to go look into antother small peice of mopani for added decor, since its a 50g im planning to take more time to learn about things. When putting that much money into something, I want it to be correct on the first attempt.



I'm hooked on the cardinal tetra look. what else could I introduce into my 50g aquarium. I've decided on a "theme, african river." Ya'll have already pre-warned me that cichlids would bother with my plants, so what else is out there that can co-exist with cardinal tetras?
First comment on filters. Assuming this will be a planted tank (cardinals and similar fish should always be in planted aquaria and you've mentioned eco-complete substrate) and assuming you intend to exchange your filter, I would strongly recommend a canister filter. In a planted tank you want minimal water movement, and canisters are better for controlling the water movement/current, as well as providing compartments for media if that should be required. Also, in planted aquaria, the only media you need is stuff that removes particulate matter from the water column, especially pads. No carbon or other chemical media. Plants clean the water; the filter simply moves it around and clears it.

To the light, on a 50g you should aim for either one tube T5 HO fluorescent or two tubes regular fluorescent. Any fixture will basically work, decide which you want because the tubes are not interchangeable. Tank hoods almost never come with suitable lighting, so a better option is for a glass cover and light fixture. As for tubes, with one tube the Life-Glo 2 full spectrum 6700K is the best for plant growth (high in the blue and red) and appearance (green to balance for a natural colour of fish and plants). Comparable tubes are probably available, but I'm not sure about T5. If you go with the dual-tube regular, Life-Glo 2 or Zoo Med's Ultra Sun 6700K or Phillips Daylight Deluxe 6500K are comparable.

One comment on the eco-complete; no problem, but it is expensive (more than regular gravel) and not necessary. I won't get into all this now, but regular small-grain gravel that is neutral/dark in colour works best for plants and the type of fish you are considering.

Arkamaic has responded to the fish question. With cardinals I'm assuming you will have soft slightly acidic water [cardinals do not last in hard water] and good companions are any of the dwarf cichlids from SA (Apistogramma species, Dicrossus species, Mikrogeophagus ramirezi or M. altispinosa). M. ramirezi must have warm water (above 80F) and cardinals do well with that. This will limit other companion fish; many of the Corydoras do not fare well in warm water, C. sterbai is one species that does tolerate warmth, but most are healthier at 77-78F and that is too cold for the Blue Ram. The Bolivian Ram is fine, very adaptable to differing water parameters provided they are stable. Countless species of characins would work with cardinals and dwarf cichlids. On the latter, a trio (one male, two females) works best with the Apistogramma species. Males establish territories, and these can be defined by bogwood, rock or plants.

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