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Old 03-06-2012, 10:02 AM   #11
 
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Sorry to hear about the losses, but I wanted to say your tank looks awesome.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:25 AM   #12
 
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Quick update: Been doing water changes and half-doses of something similar to Quick Cure and the deaths have stopped so far. So not sure which was going on, but am just happy that it's stopped and everyone looks normal at the moment.

Not sure if I should chance putting that wood in again but weighting it down with rocks. Maybe if I boil it first? Part of me wants to because It's the same type as the other kind in there (which has had no issues), and looked nice... but part of me is really nervous about it, as maybe there was some kind of funk growing on it from soaking for so long in a plastic bucket? I'll probably just ditch it and use another piece that I know is safe. *sigh*

Either way it was a heavy loss, and I feel bad for the survivors because they're all schoolers that like to be in larger numbers, I think especially the hatchets. I also now have only one pencilfish out of 5 and my plan with them was to increase their numbers. Hope she's OK solo for now as who knows when there'll be purple pencils again in the LFS. Maybe I should just get another kind of pencils or some tetras or something. These guys were just so beautiful, though...

Definitely waiting for a good few weeks before adding anyone. I think I'll add the hatchets first as they seem definitely less secure without the larger number.

Total deaths: 6 hatchetfish (out of 10), 4 purple pencilfish (out of 5), 7 gertrudae rainbowfish (out of 12).
Devastating.
On the wood, I would not risk it. When I had fungus from a piece of Mopani/grapewood (not sure exactly which), I cleaned it as best I could and then put it in a tank with no fish, just plants, for about 3 months. Saw no sign of fungus, so I used it in a fish tank (not the same one as at first). All seemed fine for a few weeks, then fish started to die and I spotted fungus on the back side. Got rid of the wood.

Re the Nannostomus rubrocaudatus (pencils), they are "available" now from Peru, it is the season. One of my local stores got them in last week, along with Nannostomus mortenthaleri [I prefer these actually] and the "common" dwarf Nannostomus marginatus. Wet Spot in Portland will probably have these, or be able to get them.
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Sorry for the loss.

The dwarf species looks wonderful. To bad I live what I think is to far to journey from Portland with Fish. Need to find a local to Seattle store that might carry those.
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Old 03-06-2012, 02:18 PM   #14
 
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Thank you bighugedome!

Ok, wood in trash it is!

The wet spot said they were a "seasonal" fish when i asked about them a few months ago. I bet they'll have them soon then! I wasn't sure when the season was so I just check their list every few weeks. Thanks! I love them...

They told me that their last batch of "red arc" (mortenthaleri) pencilfish were aggressive - some certain fish they had to pull from the school and put in with other random tanks because they were harassing and killing others. They advised me to instead get the purples (rubricaudatus) I think I remember that you've had the reds. Have you had that experience with them?
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:17 PM   #15
 
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Thank you bighugedome!

Ok, wood in trash it is!

The wet spot said they were a "seasonal" fish when i asked about them a few months ago. I bet they'll have them soon then! I wasn't sure when the season was so I just check their list every few weeks. Thanks! I love them...

They told me that their last batch of "red arc" (mortenthaleri) pencilfish were aggressive - some certain fish they had to pull from the school and put in with other random tanks because they were harassing and killing others. They advised me to instead get the purples (rubricaudatus) I think I remember that you've had the reds. Have you had that experience with them?
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I have all three of these, in separate tanks not all species together, and certainly no problems with the fish I have now. But that comment is interesting.

Back in 2010 I got a group of N.mortenthaleri and put them in my 90g which was then my flooded Amazon forest setup. The disappeared one by one over several weeks until I was left with a pair, and they lasted a few months. Sadly I lost them due to medicating the tank. At that time, another member here had mentioned he had a similar experience.

When I came across these again about a year ago (early 2011) I got a group of 8 and put them in my 33g. They settled fine. I lost one a few months later, no idea why. The others are doing very well, spawning frequently. Two of the fry survived from one spawn and they are now about 1/2 inch and out with the adults. The males are pushy when in the mood, but there have beeen no serious issues. My N. marginatus and N. rubrocaudatus are much the same. The latter spend most of their time hidden, down behind wood; I've had them for 4+ months now, a group of five. I wouldn't myself bother with these again, the other two species are in my view nicer, and certainly out and about consistently.
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:22 PM   #16
 
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Sorry for the loss.

The dwarf species looks wonderful. To bad I live what I think is to far to journey from Portland with Fish. Need to find a local to Seattle store that might carry those.
I don't know the Seattle stores [I'm up in Vancouver], and only know the Wet Spot through recommendations. You should be able to transport fish if you use a cooler, they can manage a couple hours, and the store if you tell them will know how to bag them. They might do mail order, though I would prefer going there myself. They have a website, not sure how current it is, but a call ahead would confirm the fish in stock.
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:34 PM   #17
 
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Sorry for the loss.

The dwarf species looks wonderful. To bad I live what I think is to far to journey from Portland with Fish. Need to find a local to Seattle store that might carry those.

If you don't mind, would you post somewhere here on the forums when you do find a good Seattle store? I'm right near you and just have a quick ferry hop to get to the Big City. *waves from another part of the Puget Sound*

I'm sure this may have been addressed in the past, and it's being posted about in this thread as well, but here's my background with woods...
Our family has a small music shop and my dad is a luthier (builds stringed instruments). Basically, we handle a LOT of woods, and often more exotic varieties. Woods can do all kinds of things in water and out. One of the ones we've always had problems with is called Pernumbuco, while beautiful, the sawdust from it just rips the lungs to pieces and can cause rashes. I know that driftwood is often very desirable, but sometimes it is hard to know just what the species is when it is true driftwood. I guess what I'm meandering about saying is that like some others have said, sounds like it was the wood. My experiences with tanks is still very limited, but whenever there are sticks involved, the first reaction is to suspect those.
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If you don't mind, would you post somewhere here on the forums when you do find a good Seattle store? I'm right near you and just have a quick ferry hop to get to the Big City. *waves from another part of the Puget Sound*

I'm sure this may have been addressed in the past, and it's being posted about in this thread as well, but here's my background with woods...
Our family has a small music shop and my dad is a luthier (builds stringed instruments). Basically, we handle a LOT of woods, and often more exotic varieties. Woods can do all kinds of things in water and out. One of the ones we've always had problems with is called Pernumbuco, while beautiful, the sawdust from it just rips the lungs to pieces and can cause rashes. I know that driftwood is often very desirable, but sometimes it is hard to know just what the species is when it is true driftwood. I guess what I'm meandering about saying is that like some others have said, sounds like it was the wood. My experiences with tanks is still very limited, but whenever there are sticks involved, the first reaction is to suspect those.
Good information about woods. I often forget that sawdust could in circumstances be explosive along with flour.

I would toss it too.

If I find one I will let you know. I've heard good things about King Discus, but I have gone there. I'm a ferry ride away too.
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Old 03-06-2012, 04:41 PM   #19
 
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Looking at it on the map, I think I remember stumbling into that store with a friend way back in college. If it is the same place, the owner was phenomenally knowledgeable and willing to spend time with even a couple of crazy college kids who knew nothing of fish at the time.

Back on topic though, woods are so strange, like Byron mentioned earlier, some grow strange spors/moulds/fungi, some leech tannins for better or for worse, and some are just straight up toxic. The reason I mentioned driftwood in the last post was because of a piece of oak driftwood an acquaintance had put in her tank and it made all of the fish very sick, even though she'd done the boiling and sinking processes. There was apparently still enough of the original aspects of the wood that it was nearly fatal for her tank. Luckily it was the only change to her tank in the recent past, so she could easily pinpoint the problem.

It is so sad to hear of your losses. Heartbreaking, every one.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:11 PM   #20
 
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Sorry for the loss.

The dwarf species looks wonderful. To bad I live what I think is to far to journey from Portland with Fish. Need to find a local to Seattle store that might carry those.
I recently asked a staff member at The Wet Spot about fish and travel - I was setting up a work tank and due to logistics my fish were going to be in the bag for about 3 hours. He said that it was no problem - the way they bag fish they can be good up to 6 hours. The key like Byron said is the cooler to keep them from getting too cold. So I put a towel in the small cooler, which kept the fish upright and from being jostled. All were fine by the end of it.

Not sure where you live, but Seattle to Portland should be about 3-ish hours... so if you're willing to make the trip, you should do it. Can't recommend them enough. Their online stock list is fairrrrly accurate but not perfect. Definitely call or email them and they'll let you know. Their fish are very healthy and acclimated prior to even going up for sale. So you just don't see sick or dead fish there.

You can email and ask to be on a waiting list for certain species. When they get them in, they'll call or email you. Sometimes they have them being raised on their off-site area, or holding there for acclimation, or being treated for something like ich, so they may be coming up soon even if not in the store, if that makes sense.

They do ship, but if it were me I'd rather be there and choose the fish myself. Make it a fun weekend and run around Stumptown for a couple days before you head back with your new additions! :)

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I have all three of these, in separate tanks not all species together, and certainly no problems with the fish I have now. But that comment is interesting.

Back in 2010 I got a group of N.mortenthaleri and put them in my 90g which was then my flooded Amazon forest setup. The disappeared one by one over several weeks until I was left with a pair, and they lasted a few months. Sadly I lost them due to medicating the tank. At that time, another member here had mentioned he had a similar experience.

When I came across these again about a year ago (early 2011) I got a group of 8 and put them in my 33g. They settled fine. I lost one a few months later, no idea why. The others are doing very well, spawning frequently. Two of the fry survived from one spawn and they are now about 1/2 inch and out with the adults. The males are pushy when in the mood, but there have beeen no serious issues. My N. marginatus and N. rubrocaudatus are much the same. The latter spend most of their time hidden, down behind wood; I've had them for 4+ months now, a group of five. I wouldn't myself bother with these again, the other two species are in my view nicer, and certainly out and about consistently.
Really interesting... my rubrocaudatus weren't the most social or gregarious, however they only really hid when there was something off. They did like to be amongst the sword plants for sure... and when it came to feeding time they were so interesting - around the surface but also going to the bottom to feed off of the veggie wafers and shrimp pellets.

I'd like to try the mortenthaleri - maybe I'll wait until they get the next batch, or just scope out these guys next time and watch carefully. Last time I was there I did see a couple of random singletons in other tanks, so maybe they removed the riff-raff. :)

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Back on topic though, woods are so strange, like Byron mentioned earlier, some grow strange spors/moulds/fungi, some leech tannins for better or for worse, and some are just straight up toxic. The reason I mentioned driftwood in the last post was because of a piece of oak driftwood an acquaintance had put in her tank and it made all of the fish very sick, even though she'd done the boiling and sinking processes. There was apparently still enough of the original aspects of the wood that it was nearly fatal for her tank. Luckily it was the only change to her tank in the recent past, so she could easily pinpoint the problem.

It is so sad to hear of your losses. Heartbreaking, every one.
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, wood... it's so important to so many species and I love the look of the tank but you just have to be so careful....

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