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Old 04-26-2011, 11:15 PM   #11
 
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The only reason I didn't use live plants is because I'm planning on Cichlids.
Yet, are there any plants that can live in aquarium gravel? If so, I will try that.

Yes there are many plants that will grow in just aquarium gravel. There are lots of people who grow them in gravel. You can look some plants up in the Tropical fish Profiles. Its on the top of the page second from the left then just click on freshwater plants. They are many people here that can help you with growing plants here.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:51 PM   #12
 
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I get what your saying and see the mistake I was thinking....

Is there a chance that the Stress Coat and Zyme will wear off... or the ammonia will just be too much for it?

I'm still unsure of what to do now... :(
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:09 AM   #13
 
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I get what your saying and see the mistake I was thinking....

Is there a chance that the Stress Coat and Zyme will wear off... or the ammonia will just be too much for it?

I'm still unsure of what to do now... :(
That I don't know sorry. If it was me I would probably wait till I got some conditioner then drain the tank and start over but I couldn't honestly say if that would be the best thing to do or not sorry I am still learning myself. I don't know what happens when you start mixing chemicals but it can't be good lol Hopefully someone can/will led you in the right direction.
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:57 AM   #14
 
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Well on the bottle it says to add more weekly, so hopefully it will become less effective and ammonia can build up.
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Old 04-27-2011, 08:19 AM   #15
 
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I would not add any more stresszyme,stresscoat,or any other chemical except dechlorinator such as Prime ,or Amquel + .Both detoxify chlorine and ammonia rendering the ammonia as ammonium which can still be used by the bacteria to help establish bacterial colony.
For 75 gallon tank and shrimp method, you simply add three or four Small cocktail shrimp (frozen,uncooked) in a mesh bag or section of ladies nylon with a small stone to hold it down and leave it for approx four weeks. If smell get's to be too much for some,,then changing water with dechlorinator for new water added can be performed but leave the shrimp and filter alone.
Use the four weeks to research the care and compatibility of the fishes you are planning on keeping.

At the end of four weeks,,ammonia and nitrites should test zero and nitrAtes should be present.
If not,,then leave the shrimp in the tank and wait some more.

The rotting shrimp at amount suggested will provide the bacteria with vfood but the process takes time,patience.
Should you decide to start agin with liquid ammonia method, then on the first day ,add enough ammonia so that concentration is between 3 and 5 ppm and record how many drops you added to get to the 3 to 5 ppm.
Wait a couple days and test for ammonia and nitrites. Continue to test for ammonia and nitrites every couple days until you see nitrites.This will be a sign that the ammonia is being consumed and bacteria are beginning to appear.
Once nitrites appear,add one half the amount ammonia you added on day one.Measure ammonia and nitrites every 2or 3 days and around day 12 ,,the ammonia should be around 1 ppm or lower but nitrites will be present. Nitrites don't normally spike until the two week mark or perhaps fourteen days to 20 days.
I would then add about 1/4 of the dose for ammonia that was added on day one every couple three days .
The cycle is complete when after the three week mark you can add a full dose of ammonia as on day one and it is coverted overnight to nitrates with zero ammonia and nitrites.

Then perofrm a large water change with dechlorinator (60 percent) ,and you can slowly begin adding a few fish at a time.
I personally prefer the shrimp or fish food method but hope this helps.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:33 PM   #16
 
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The only reason I didn't use live plants is because I'm planning on Cichlids.
Yet, are there any plants that can live in aquarium gravel? If so, I will try that.
1077 has answered you on the cycling issue, so that's done.

Which cichlids are you considering? Many can live with plants, some (the larger) root them up and some eat them, or try to. But there are some tough plants that most won't touch. Let me know the cichlid species and I'll see. And yes, gravel will grow plants, the finer gravel better than larger grain, but still workable, plus some of the "tough" plants attach to rock or wood anyway.

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Old 04-27-2011, 03:44 PM   #17
 
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Thank you all very much

As for the cycle... I will be taking back my filter to Big Al's and hopefully getting a new one because it is not working properly. As this is done I will most likely drain the tank and get new conditioner that will just remove chlorine. I'll look for some pure ammonia, but if there isn't any that is easy to get I will restart the Shrimp cycle.

As for Cichlids...All I know for sure is that I'm getting Africans.

Once again, thanks.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:28 PM   #18
 
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Thank you all very much

As for the cycle... I will be taking back my filter to Big Al's and hopefully getting a new one because it is not working properly. As this is done I will most likely drain the tank and get new conditioner that will just remove chlorine. I'll look for some pure ammonia, but if there isn't any that is easy to get I will restart the Shrimp cycle.

As for Cichlids...All I know for sure is that I'm getting Africans.

Once again, thanks.
Do you have chloramine in your water too? If yes, you will need a conditioner that specifies chlorine and chloramine. Most handle heavy metals, not needed with plants but without it is wise tohave this; for instance, copper levels in our tap water can be "safe" for humans to drink but deadly to fish. And you should test your tap water, or find out from the water board, if it contains detectable ammonia, nitrite or nitrate. Some does, and a conditioner that deals with one of these may be needed depending upon the level.

African presumably meaning rift lake, so hard water. Vallisneria species are excellent hard-water plants, they actually occur in one (or more, forgotten now) of the rift lakes, and the fish like to graze their leaves for algae. Anubias and Java Fern though not exactly "biotope" would be good, attached to some of the rock. Few if any fish will eat these.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:42 PM   #19
 
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I tested my tap water a while ago, although I can't remember the exact measurements, I know the water is already hard, and around 8 PH. There is no ammonia, nitrite or nitrate and a little chlorine. For the 30 gallon I already have running, I was using a water conditioner that does eliminate chlorine and chloramine but not ammonia, so I will buy that again.

Is Vallisneria commonly available? I have never looked at the plants at my LFS, but next time I definitely will.
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Old 04-27-2011, 06:03 PM   #20
 
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Just wanted to add that I had a few plants that I grew in gravel, and they were larger pieces of gravel (top fin bag)...I have mondo grass currently (although only semi-aquatic it has been fine for a few months now completely submerged). I also up until last week had my crypt. wendtii growing happily in the gravel, as well as pennywort. Not sure with cichlids, as when I kept them I didnt do real plants either, but I have noticed that a lot of fish dont bother my crypts, even when they are known to...my friend kept a few crypts in her tank with plant disturbing fish, and they didnt mess with them either. Just a thought. And I love mine, one of my LFS actually sells the rooted clippings for 99 cents...I plan on stocking up next pay day.

Up until recently, I had always used API StressCoat for my water conditioner...and use to always use StressZyme in my start up, I never had an issue. However, when I had my cichlids (south american) I did the fish-in cycle (I know, mean. But I havent done a fish-in cycle ever again if that makes up for it).

You mentioned having a 30 gallon tank running...can you seed the new tank with filter media or gravel from the 30 gallon?

Currently I am using a water dechlorinater from Tetra that doesnt do anything extra. Its odd because it bubbles/foams for a moment when I fill up a bucket, and no water dechlorinater has ever done that before...but I havent had any fouls with it so I am happy.
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