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Old 05-17-2012, 10:53 AM   #21
 
I have another question after observing my neons for a little while... They seem to nip at each other or at least chase each other around now and don't really look to be schooling very much. They were schooling in a very tight school last night for the first four hours home from the store at least that I know of. Now they are showing this seemingly aggressive behavior towards each other and I'm not sure how normal this is. Anybody have any idea?
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:25 AM   #22
 
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I see Java Fern in the front left corner; that should not be planted in the substrate but attached to wood or rock--you can leave it floating temporarily. The thick "stem" from which the leaves and hair roots grow is a rhizome and if buried in the substrate it might rot.

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If you find some nice rocks outside you like and test them with vinegar to make sure it eont bubble and harm your tank. You can really scrub the crap out of it, then soak it in conditioned water like Prime for over an hour. Then you can create a nice rock formation, caves, hiding spots or just a nice rock touch.

Byron what do you think of this? Ive done it twice.
I use river rock (to represent rounded boulders) that I bought from a landscape/quarry outlet. Also some basalt slabs. The acid test will determine calcareous issues; vinegar is quite a weak acid but if it fizzes the rock is calcareous, but a better (stronger) acid to use is the Regent #2 from the API nitrate kit, just a couple drops on the rock. The risk with rock is that it might have absorbed toxic substances at some point in the past, so I would avoid rock collected near roads, buildings, farms, etc. where chemicals, oils, gasoline, pesticides, fertilizers would be more likely to occur.

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Also, Byron, what do you think of the lighting for more plants?
I didn't see mention made of what is over the tank now...may be fine, but I'd need to know what it is.

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I have another question after observing my neons for a little while... They seem to nip at each other or at least chase each other around now and don't really look to be schooling very much. They were schooling in a very tight school last night for the first four hours home from the store at least that I know of. Now they are showing this seemingly aggressive behavior towards each other and I'm not sure how normal this is. Anybody have any idea?
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Normal. Shoaling fish (all tetra are) need a group, the more the better. But they will not remain together. When they are stressed, they usually close ranks, and that was what you saw yesterday; their uncertainty over a new environment caused them to remain together for safety. As they settle in they will spread out. Some species remain fairly close, hovering in the water; others swim around independently, or in smaller groups, or all together. The only species of tetra that really remains together and swims as a group almost constantly is the Rummynose.

As for the interaction, this is why they need a group. They have some level of hierarchy within the group, or they may play, or they may selecting mates to spawn, or... whatever. Characins frequently do what I refer to as sparring. The males will play "king of the mountain" like we used to when I was in school. Rarely is damage inflicted, but it is an essential part of the fish's social structure.
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:31 AM   #23
 
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:48 AM   #24
 
Thanks Byron, I have my fern floating around til I find him a rock now.

And I'll use that acid from my API master kit to check any rocks I may find today if I get a chance to find any!

And it is great to know my neons are doing what is normal and that they aren't stressed out enough to be schooling tightly anymore today! I'm happy to know they are happier.

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I didn't see mention made of what is over the tank now...may be fine, but I'd need to know what it is.
Ok, so the lighting is something i'm trying to figure out myself.... Maybe you can "shed some light" on the topic for me, ha.

What it appears I have according to markings on the bulb (can't find any markings on the housing itself) is a GLO Life glo bulb. It also says, but hard to read since much is wiped off now, 34"; 89W?; HO; and Made in China (go figure).

Since this is an older tank the lighting itself could be rather old and I'm not at all upset if I need to upgrade the lighting, not sure it's adequate myself since I can't seem to figure out online exactly what it is I do have in there. Let me know if this makes any sense and if it is inadequate, make me a suggestion about what I should get! Thanks for all the help, it's making this learning process much easier!
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:55 AM   #25
 
Here are some pictures on the lighting topic that may clear things up a little:





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Thanks Byron, I have my fern floating around til I find him a rock now.

And I'll use that acid from my API master kit to check any rocks I may find today if I get a chance to find any!

And it is great to know my neons are doing what is normal and that they aren't stressed out enough to be schooling tightly anymore today! I'm happy to know they are happier.



Ok, so the lighting is something i'm trying to figure out myself.... Maybe you can "shed some light" on the topic for me, ha.

What it appears I have according to markings on the bulb (can't find any markings on the housing itself) is a GLO Life glo bulb. It also says, but hard to read since much is wiped off now, 34"; 89W?; HO; and Made in China (go figure).

Since this is an older tank the lighting itself could be rather old and I'm not at all upset if I need to upgrade the lighting, not sure it's adequate myself since I can't seem to figure out online exactly what it is I do have in there. Let me know if this makes any sense and if it is inadequate, make me a suggestion about what I should get! Thanks for all the help, it's making this learning process much easier!
The 36" ones are 39 Watts not 89.

I dont see any 34" ones.

Amazon.com: Life-Glo II Fluorescent Bulb T5, 39 Watts - 34 inches, fits 36" light: Pet Supplies Amazon.com: Life-Glo II Fluorescent Bulb T5, 39 Watts - 34 inches, fits 36" light: Pet Supplies

The Life-Glo linear fluorescent light bulb is a T5 normal output bulb with a color temperature of 6700K

You have two of these side by side correct?

If so, then you should have enough lighting for moderate to low light plants. If you place high light plants right under the lights they should be fine.

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Old 05-17-2012, 12:01 PM   #27
 
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Here are some pictures on the lighting topic that may clear things up a little:
Just buy another bulb so you have both in there.

Then you will be fine.

Maybe in the future you can add some additional reflectors to that hood.

I highly doubt you will need to buy any new hoods. Just get one new light for that empty slot.

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Also if you find wood that you want to use you can boil it. That is usually just for small pieces though because you can't really fit a giant piece of wood in a pot. Do not boil the rocks though.

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Old 05-17-2012, 03:09 PM   #28
 
Sounds good, I'll go ahead and just get a new bulb then! I'll be going back to the fish store today or tomorrow and will get one then.

One thing I'm having trouble with is keeping the temperature stable at 77-78 degrees. It seems to always want to hover right at high 79-80 degrees. Since I want Bolivian Ram in the future, I'm trying to figure out how to get the temp to stabilize at 78.

What I think to be the cause of the problem is I have a 30 gallon sump with a Mag 9.5 pump feeding into my tank. Since this pump is submersible and therefore water cooled, I think this is the root of my temperature problem. Whatever temp I set the heater doesn't matter, it is set on 75 right now but the temp is reading 80.2 degrees. Any ideas out there on how to keep the water closer to my goal without a water chiller (wayy out of my price range)?
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Sounds good, I'll go ahead and just get a new bulb then! I'll be going back to the fish store today or tomorrow and will get one then.

One thing I'm having trouble with is keeping the temperature stable at 77-78 degrees. It seems to always want to hover right at high 79-80 degrees. Since I want Bolivian Ram in the future, I'm trying to figure out how to get the temp to stabilize at 78.

What I think to be the cause of the problem is I have a 30 gallon sump with a Mag 9.5 pump feeding into my tank. Since this pump is submersible and therefore water cooled, I think this is the root of my temperature problem. Whatever temp I set the heater doesn't matter, it is set on 75 right now but the temp is reading 80.2 degrees. Any ideas out there on how to keep the water closer to my goal without a water chiller (wayy out of my price range)?
So you have tried to lower the temp on the heater and that still wont work?
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Sounds good, I'll go ahead and just get a new bulb then! I'll be going back to the fish store today or tomorrow and will get one then.

One thing I'm having trouble with is keeping the temperature stable at 77-78 degrees. It seems to always want to hover right at high 79-80 degrees. Since I want Bolivian Ram in the future, I'm trying to figure out how to get the temp to stabilize at 78.

What I think to be the cause of the problem is I have a 30 gallon sump with a Mag 9.5 pump feeding into my tank. Since this pump is submersible and therefore water cooled, I think this is the root of my temperature problem. Whatever temp I set the heater doesn't matter, it is set on 75 right now but the temp is reading 80.2 degrees. Any ideas out there on how to keep the water closer to my goal without a water chiller (wayy out of my price range)?
Many heaters will actually maintain a temperature that is higher than the temp set. As long as it is consistent, this is fine. A cople of my heaters are set at 74 or 75 and they m aintain a temp of 77-78F. Turn it down slowly, by which i mean in small increments, and wait until the next day to turn it lower if it is still higher than 77F.

On the light, that is T5 HO light which is very bright. Two tubes will be OK with more plants, but until you have a good cover of floating plants I would not add a second tube. The white substrate reflects light too, and you don't want to have it much brighter for the fish. I would also suggest some chunks of bogwood, safest to buy this in a fish store; the Malaysian Driftwood is good.
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