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Old 12-16-2009, 09:27 AM   #11
 
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Were it me,(and it ain't) I would begin doing 10 gallon water changes once every two days using nothing but dechlorinator and tapwater. Dechlorinator should clearly say that it not only deals with chlorine,but chloramines and ammonia.
I would toss out any and all products other than dechlorinator. This should eventually make your tanks water closer to your tapwater unless the substrate you have, or decorations are coral,aragonite,limestone,or other type of calcerous rocks that raise the ph. Unless the ph of your tapwater is lower than 6.0 or higher than 8.0 I would not mess with it. You may indeed lose fish while messing about trying to adjust the ph but many have gone the same route before you.
I think if you try the afore mentioned,you will come closer to having some stability and fish will thank you for it. Proper ph is not nearly as important as a stable ph that stays the same day in and day out.
You have posted three different pH values 7.6 6.7 and 8.?
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:53 AM   #12
 
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Were it me,(and it ain't) I would begin doing 10 gallon water changes once every two days using nothing but dechlorinator and tapwater. Dechlorinator should clearly say that it not only deals with chlorine,but chloramines and ammonia.
I would toss out any and all products other than dechlorinator. This should eventually make your tanks water closer to your tapwater unless the substrate you have, or decorations are coral,aragonite,limestone,or other type of calcerous rocks that raise the ph. Unless the ph of your tapwater is lower than 6.0 or higher than 8.0 I would not mess with it. You may indeed lose fish while messing about trying to adjust the ph but many have gone the same route before you.
I think if you try the afore mentioned,you will come closer to having some stability and fish will thank you for it. Proper ph is not nearly as important as a stable ph that stays the same day in and day out.
You have posted three different pH values 7.6 6.7 and 8.?
Yeah my ph is crazy. The first 6 months I had my tank up and running my ph was 5.5. My tap water has always been in the upper 8s usualy 8.4. After a while my ph went up to 6.7 for a couple months. Recently it has gone up to 7.8. That is why I am trying to lower my ph. I noticed my plants don't grow as fast now as they were before when the ph was lower.
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:56 AM   #13
 
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there is something you arent telling us here and why? no clue...

anyways let me ask some q's to get to the bottom of this

exactly what is in your tank besides fish be very specific.

what chemicals have you used in this tank and how often?

when do you do w/c's and be specific about how you do them


your ph swings have killed your fish your lucky if you have any left at this point, untill you answer questions stop using those fancy chems ! ! !
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:25 AM   #14
 
I have regular black gravel, 3 pieces of petrified wood, 1 med size plastic hollow tree stump, and what I believe is java fern. I just added a digital thermometer and a heater, that hasn't altered anything.

Several months ago I rinsed my filter in tap water which later I learned was bad so I added byozyme and amquel plus. I thought my tetras had a fungal infection and dosed them with melafix. And Saturday I believe is when I added 1 teaspoon of the neutral regulator.

For water changes I fill up gallon water jugs and let them sit 24+ hours. I never add anything.
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:29 AM   #15
 
Oh yeah and I filled up 15 gallons of water yesturday and put tap water conditioner in that so I can do a w/c today. So is it safe to use that water now? It was an API conditioner.
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:53 AM   #16
 
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Some water conditioners deal with chlorine and claim to adress chloramines . Chloramines are or is a combination of chlorine and ammonia. those water conditioners that claim to detoxify chloramines do so by rendering the chlorine harmless but they leave the ammonia for the biological filter to deal with. This works well with healthy bacteria found in the filter but in new tanks where the bacteria has yet to develop ,or where biological bacteria has been destroyed or removed,then nothing is breaking down the ammonia and fish will be under considerable stress depending on the stocking levels or ammonia being produced by fish or over feeding.
Is always a good idea to use a full function water conditioner such as the AMQUEL+ or PRIME for this reason. You may leave tapwater out for 24 hours and chlorine if present will dissipate, Chloramines which are used in many water supplies,will not dissipate. PRIME water conditioner will also remove heavy metals that may be present in the water supply.
It is possible that you have a low carbonate hardness or Kh that although you have a pH of 7.4 to 7.6 from the tap,.the hardness is lacking and thus the ph will fall. Adding pH adjusting powders or chemicals will have little effect for very long and the pH will fluctuate wildly. Will be better if you can determine what your ph from the tap is and also the kh. In this way we can best determine the best way for you to produce a stable enviornment.
Would also submit that if the water from your tap is going through a domestic water softener that this too can affect the ph and kh by removing those minerals and salts that act as buffers to prevent ph from fluctuating. If this were the case, I would want to use water from a spigot on the outside of the house or apartment that water does not pass through a domestic water softener.
For now,I would use the tapwater with full function conditioner and small 20 percent changes every couple days to try and remove some of the regulator (pH) and or anything else that may be affecting the readings you are getting. Then I would try and get testresults for kh and we can go from there.
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Old 12-16-2009, 01:16 PM   #17
 
I do have amquel plus so I will start using it, and this weekend I am going to get a NO2, NO3, and a KH test. I will post results as soon as I get them.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:06 PM   #18
 
Ok so I went to my lfs and picked up a GH and KH test kit.
My results are as follows.

Tap water:

GH- 214.8 ppm
KH- 17.9 ppm
PH- 8.0
Ammonia- 1.0
NO3/Nitrate- 10
NO2/Nitrite- 5.0


Tank water:

GH- 161.1 ppm
KH- 17.9 ppm
PH- 7.5
Ammonia- 0
NO3/Nitrate- 15
NO2/Nitrite- 0
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Old 12-20-2009, 03:11 AM   #19
 
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Your water appears to be more suited for livebearers such as guppies,mollies,swordtails,and platy's rather than some of the tetras that prefer softer water.
Ammonia and nitrites from your tap are not desireable and you should always use the AMQUEL+ and perhaps ttreat the water a day in advance that you use to replace that which you remove during water changes. I would also drop an airstone in the bucket or buckets of treated water and aerate the water while it is being stored. Five gallon buckets come in handy and are usually found cheap enough at walmart or hardware store.
Clean you filter material in old aquarium water when it needs cleaned. Stay with the AMQUEL+ and try keeping fish that prefer your water rather than trying to change water to suit the fish and things will be much easier for you and the fish.
Would also perhaps try and find another source for fish and take particular care to acclimate the fish slowly.
Acclimation of fishes done too quickly or improperly, is often the cause of new fish dying within hours or days.Hope some of this helps.

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Old 12-21-2009, 05:59 PM   #20
 
I was told that my readings weren't possible so I reread the instructions and noticed I did the test wrong, so I retested gh and kh.

Tap water:
KH- 107.4 ppm
GH- 214.8+ ppm

Tank water:
Kh- 53.7 ppm
Gh- 143.2 ppm
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