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Starting a 29g and clueless.
Old 01-11-2013, 08:25 PM   #11
 
Well for now I'm not sure the water parameters. I've actually been researching since my last post and found a pair of kribs would be right up my alley. They are small 3-4 in. and are easy to care for from what i've read. Was thinking of those 2 be the center piece so to say and maybe 5 or so Tiger Barbs. Also need some sort of "cleaner" fish like pleco though i read that the kribs are not compatable with them :/ not sure what to do about that. Also the kribs will eat guppies! In fact from almost everything I read they love them and are somewhat a delicacy. That seems like an adequatly stocked tank. I do realize water changes are inevitable and I don't mind. Just want something that will take care of the algae on the glass and possible the "debris" in the substrate. Not sure if I want sand or gravel. Any thoughts on the two? I have a friend who has a 36g bow front with some room for my mollies so he will take them along with the loach if necessary. Then i'll just feed the shrimp to the Kribs. Only problem atm is I can't find Kribs near me atleast from the few stores i've looked at. But their water requirements are fairly easy to maintain as far as I see. Also what would be a good natural cave for them to breed in? Driftwood or rocks possibly? I need to pick up some testing supplies when I get everything for the 29g. Should I test it after i've cycled for a day or two or right after I get it set up?

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Old 01-11-2013, 08:57 PM   #12
 
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I see you are in Portland, OR. If you're looking for a good fish store, you should check out The Wet Spot. The Wet Spot Tropical Fish They have an amazing selection of fish. A lot of us would kill to be that close to them.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:36 PM   #13
 
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I see you are in Portland, OR. If you're looking for a good fish store, you should check out The Wet Spot. The Wet Spot Tropical Fish They have an amazing selection of fish. A lot of us would kill to be that close to them.
Funny you should say that I just came back from there! They have the Kribensis too! Almost any fish i've seen online and some. Their staff are awesome too. Got alot of pointers on aquascaping my tank. So i've pretty much decided that i'll get a pair of Kribs hopefully they pair up. And they have 6 for $11 on Tiger Barbs so i'll get those guys and now I just need to find the "clean up crew". I was looking at filters and found a decent Aquaclear filter that fits up to 50g tanks. Has the triple stage filtration. Would that be sufficient or does anyone have a better one I should look at? Also figured for my tank a 150w heater would be plenty. As for the air pump i'm not sure yet if I should get one. Kinda hoping that the plants would provide enough oxygen for my tank. Also should I get a hood or just the light? Sorry for all the questions lol I just don't want to screw anything up that will cost me money or my fishies lives.

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Old 01-11-2013, 11:35 PM   #14
 
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I'd go for if i were you;

6 x Tiger barbs
2 x Kribensis
1 x Bristlenose pleco

You need a plec that will stay nice and small for your tank, around 5/6 inches and the BN fits this nicely. It will also keep the tank clean. You will need to throw some driftwood in for it though, but this will only help with your aquascape HOWEVER, I cant say getting a pleco for the sole purpose of cleaning your tank is a good idea. Get the fish because you love it, not for a job. Having a BN/any pleco will also not change at all your cleaning/partial water change schedule btw, whilst it would help with the algae plecos are constantly graving and therefore constantly pooping....... so IMO its 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other...

God knows there has been a lot of discussion on this one lately that i've seen - sand/gravel.
I now have both. Go for sand. Your worried about clean - well with gravel it sinks through, gets messy and needs a good hoovering every so often to keep it clean. With sand it sits on top of and is much easier to just suck off rather than having to 'dig in.' Sand is a lot more work putting it in - needs rigorous cleaning - but well worth it long term i'd say. Especially with you wanting to feed guppys - you dont want rotting fish sinking into your gravel. A BN pleco will also probably prefer the sand.

Tiger barbs are an excellent jumper and so id say get a hood!

The 150w will be fine for a heater.

So will the 50 gallon filter.

Kribs breed in caves so if you want this, well, you'd need some caves. haha.

I've just back-read a lil more too and stil no water params? Get them - because if you plan your tank and it doesnt suit your water at all, thats going to suck for you and your fish!
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:31 AM   #15
 
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The Aquaclear filters are great filters. I've used them on my tanks for years. The one rated for 50 gal tanks sounds like a good fit for your tank. If you found a good deal, take it.

As for the air pump, I don't think you need one. With the plants and the filter there will be more than enough oxygen in your tank. Save yourself the few bucks and forgo it.

You'll want both a hood and the light. The hood and light kits are usually just a few more dollars than just the light, and IME it's worth it to have a hood. It slows evaporation and prevents fish from landing on the floor if they jump. But you will need a different bulb. The ones that come with hoods aren't good for plants. You want a 6500k daylight bulb; good brands to look for are Hagen Glo-life and Zoo Med Ultrasun. On your 29 gal this will enable you to grow low-light plants like anubias, java fern, java moss, and swords. I know because I have a 29 gal tank just like yours but with tetra and loaches, and these plants thrive in that tank.

My clean up crews in my tanks are actually snails and shrimp. Malaysian trumpet snails will burrow into the sand during the day and clean the walls at night. I have red cherry shrimp to clean the algae, but something larger and better able to fend for itself like ghost shrimp might be a better choice in your tank. But if you are into plecos, then feel free to get one. Interesting fact is that they will also easily breed in aquariums.

Lol! The sand v gravel debate! I'm on the sand side even though I have both. Just the look of sand is so much better. It is a pain to put in, but the long-run benefits are worth it.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:01 AM   #16
 
Glad to hear sand lol. I like the look of it more and thought it would be easier to keep clean. As for not having to do water changes and what not, I don't mind. I just wanted something to help keep algae away. As for shrimp I think they will end up snacks :/ I might give it a try though. Do the malaysian trumpet snails reproduce quickly or will it be something I can control? So how should I test my water though? Test after I have done the fishless cycle or what? And with what? Thank you for your patience and help everyone!!!
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:26 PM   #17
 
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You can buy the kit yourself to test but generally speaking its a bit of a waste of money as you'll probably never use it again.
It's likely that your water supplier will have the information you need on their website, or if not you should be able to get the figures with a quick phone call as by rights it's information you are entitled too, there's no hush hush about it etc.
Failing them two options your LFS might test it for free for you- if they do never accept words like good, soft, or hard. Peoples opinions on these vary wildly so you want Exact figures!

Happy hunting
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:33 PM   #18
 
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The water parameters we keep asking about are your tap water pH and hardness. You can find these on your local water treatment website. There is a test kit for them, but it's a one time use thing unless you plan to harden or soften your water. The other thing you will need to test (and you will need a test kit for this) is ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. The test kit that most of us swear by is the API freshwater master kit. It will also come with a pH test.

Snails aren't a big problem if you don't let them be. They overpopulate the tank when you over feed. They will reproduce but not at a fast rate. Every couple of months I might remove a handful of these snails from my tanks, but I've never had on overpopulation problem.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:48 PM   #19
 
Is it safe to use tap water in my fish tank?
Water for aquariums should be dechlorinated. The Portland Water Bureau uses chlorine and ammonia to disinfect Portland's water in a process called chloramination. Disinfection is important so humans don't get waterborne diseases. Chloramines can be lethal to fish, however, so it's important to adequately dechlorinate water before it's added to an aquarium.

If you have copper plumbing, be sure to run the water to flush out water that has been sitting in contact with the piping. Copper can be toxic to fish. You can reduce copper in your water if you run the water for several minutes to flush your pipes.

So far i've found this i'm going to look for the pH and Hardness.

Just called the water quality line and because it's sunday their closed :/ but did get ahold of someone that said the pH runs about 8. I'll probably just go ahead and head over to my LFS and get the testing done there to find out what everything is since the guy didn't seem like he was 100% positive of his answer. I'll let you guys know when I find out. Does anyone know if this forum has an iPhone app?
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:11 AM   #20
 
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Dwarf puffer tank - small but aggressive little buggers! They'll have a pop at anything.

MOST predatory fish btw will be boring as anything 90% of the time except when they are eating for you....and thats only if they do it on YOUR timeframe which is unlikely probably.
Boring or exciting is a matter of personal perception. I find the predatory fish I keep to be anything but boring. The sinuous grace of a rope-fish, the curious interactions amongst each other, and the very very cute way in which they sleep, and their behavior when they wake up are all very interesting to watch.

If you ever watch a nearly full grown Ornate Bichir rise up out of the bottom to breach, and then slowly cruise the water...that is something that is quite breathtaking. It's a bit like a dragon coming away and moving right before your eyes. To see the interaction once she notices you, to follow you, and watch you is also quite neat. But of course the for more interesting "Predators" take a lot of space which unfortunately OP does not have.
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