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post #11 of 33 Old 01-22-2013, 05:35 PM
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Hoc dam thats a pretty tank!
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post #12 of 33 Old 01-22-2013, 05:57 PM
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Honestly, an amazon sword may grow too large for that size tank and overshadow any nearby plants. I had started out wit a single 6" plant in my 90g tank, replanted a couple of the plantlets that grew off of that one, and they each grew nearly 2' tall to the top of the tank. I ended up having to remove two of them and just keeping the original. I was constantly having to pull out plantlets. Here's a couple runners with probably 20 plantlets growing off of it that grew to six inches or so before I pulled it out of the tank:
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And the whole tank with two of them still in there:
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This is very true--and yes, that is a lovely aquascape.

The common sword can grow quite differently depending upon conditions. According to Rataj's 2004 classification of the species, E. amazonicus remains smaller, while E. bleherae is larger. I have the latter in my 115g and 90g (the latter are adventitious plants from the former] and what was sold to me as E. amazonicus in the 70g. These have certainly remained smaller overall, for about 4 years now. And they are not growing at all well compared to the others. But the fact is that this is the exact same species.

This was proposed back in 1994 but no one paid much attention; more recently Samuli Lehtonen has confirmed by DNA analysis that E. Bleherae, E. amazonicus, E. parviflorus and E. greisbachii are in fact not distinct species but one and the same species, and E. greisbachii gets the nod for the name. I go into this a bit more and provide references in the profile [Echinodorus bleherae] if anyone is interested. But the point of all this is that conditions do seem to play a major part in the growth habit of these plants, particularly if they are one species.

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Very interesting info Byron. I do appreciate you sharing that. Even so, plant placement is important to not only make sure that the sword has plenty of space to grow, but also to make sure that it doesn't overshadow surrounding plants. It would probably be best to plant low-light plants around it so that they should be fine even if shadowed, and higher-light plants farther away so that they get enough light.

Well I'm going to read through that profile now. No harm in learning more
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So would you guys suggest getting one Amazon Sword and just keeping it trimmed down. Then If I can find a couple pygmy chain swords get those along with some Water Sprite?
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So would you guys suggest getting one Amazon Sword and just keeping it trimmed down. Then If I can find a couple pygmy chain swords get those along with some Water Sprite?
Those would be some good options. I'm a fan of anubias which you can just glue to a small rock and place on the substrate or even on top of the rockwork you have (although they may get algae growth on them if they're in strong light). You may also want to consider some red plants for contrast.
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Those would be some good options. I'm a fan of anubias which you can just glue to a small rock and place on the substrate or even on top of the rockwork you have (although they may get algae growth on them if they're in strong light). You may also want to consider some red plants for contrast.
In the back right corner I have an Anubias Nana attatched to a lava rock. Which red plants would you recommend?

EDIT: Also I just found this website http://www.aquariumplants.com/Search...ion=PRODSEARCH have any of you heard of it or used it? They have all of the plants that were talked about so far and the prices seem very reasonable.

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So would you guys suggest getting one Amazon Sword and just keeping it trimmed down. Then If I can find a couple pygmy chain swords get those along with some Water Sprite?
Yes, this is better. I originally assumed you had the 3 swords, so got a bit muddled. I like the Echinodorus and Helanthium (the "sword" plants) a lot because they are so easy, do well almost anywhere, moderate light, and lovely green.

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I've ordered from here a couple times and was more than satisfied by the plants I received. I don't know what lights you're using, but you may want to consider Ludwigia Repens.
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I've ordered from here a couple times and was more than satisfied by the plants I received. I don't know what lights you're using, but you may want to consider Ludwigia Repens.
Okay thanks, that is reasurring! My light set up is just a MarineLand LED Bar I will look into the Ludwigis Repens, from what I have seen it is very pretty.

Is this light set up going to be adequate and do you have any recommendations?

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Yes, this is better. I originally assumed you had the 3 swords, so got a bit muddled. I like the Echinodorus and Helanthium (the "sword" plants) a lot because they are so easy, do well almost anywhere, moderate light, and lovely green.
Yes, I agree completely. They are very attractive plants and everyone seems to use them. What do you guys think about a Echinodorus Kleiner Prinz to add some contrasting red color?

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i really like the Echinodorus Kleiner Prinz i ahve looked into it before. I cant remember the exact wpg that it requries, but it is moderate tending to more needing high light. So you'd have to look into that. Its also quite small, like around 12'' tops so thats good for not overshadowing etc, AND it flowers underwater, not prolifically but the flower is pretty haha
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