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Setting Up New 10g Tank - Need Advice
Old 08-28-2009, 04:38 PM   #41
 
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Well, if I could ship to him, I would... gladly! LOL

I have concluded my tank maintanence for the first week. I vacuumed the bottom, got a fair amount of the stuff out of the gravel. I took out 2 gallons of water before I stopped.

I have poured back in clean, declorinated water and added the new tank, Multi-Purpose again for bacteria.

The water does not seem quite as clear as I would like. Is this normal? Overall, the tank is clean. Just a tad cloudy. Fish seem very happy, swimming around. In fact, the guppies have become more vibrant in color.
Yes, perfectly normal after a pwc [although I can't see it to be sure it is normal cloudy or abnormal cloudy]. All the very fine stuff stirred up takes a while to settle or get trapped in the filter, whichever. I find mine are "clear" the following day. A pwc is a trick used to push fish into spawning, as the change in water chemistry (however slight it may be) simulates a tropical rainstorm which triggers spawning in the fish at the start of the rainy season when the land floods and food is plentiful. There's usually more activity in general after a pwc.

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Old 08-28-2009, 04:45 PM   #42
 
It is a very slight cloudy so I suspect it is the fine stuff stirred up. I have turned up the volume on the filter to max to work it through the filter. Fish are very energetic, especially the Mollies. Boy-oy. Non stop action with these two!! LOL

Is there a technic for getting more crud out of the bottom of the tank and less water. I would like to take more time with the suction but the water it moves seems to be pretty quick. 2g disappeared in no time and I stopped draining. I focused on the open areas and most of it seem to be in the front. Someone told me to slant the gravel at the bottom of the tank from back to front and it would push the waste to the front. Seemed to work. Most of it seemed up front. I did move the gravel a bit and it did dislodge stuff quickly, as you suggested in an earlier post.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:50 PM   #43
 
Food Question.

I have purchased a couple more containers of food and I am mixing the food together before dropping it in the tank.

I have:

Wardley Essentials Tropical Fish Flakes
Wardley Essentials Guppy Flakes
Big Als Spirulina Color enhancement Flake Food

I am feeding 3 times a day and there is a frenzy when I come near the tank. Pretty hilarious. Who knew fish could be trained! LOL

Any downside to what I am doing?
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:00 PM   #44
 
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It is a very slight cloudy so I suspect it is the fine stuff stirred up. I have turned up the volume on the filter to max to work it through the filter. Fish are very energetic, especially the Mollies. Boy-oy. Non stop action with these two!! LOL

Is there a technic for getting more crud out of the bottom of the tank and less water. I would like to take more time with the suction but the water it moves seems to be pretty quick. 2g disappeared in no time and I stopped draining. I focused on the open areas and most of it seem to be in the front. Someone told me to slant the gravel at the bottom of the tank from back to front and it would push the waste to the front. Seemed to work. Most of it seemed up front. I did move the gravel a bit and it did dislodge stuff quickly, as you suggested in an earlier post.
There are varying views as to how much vacuuming of the substrate should be done. In a planted tank, many recommend little if any, as the mulm breaks down and bacteria convert it to nitrogen and such for the plants especially those with good root systems (as opposed to stem and floaters). I usually go over the gravel in the open areas because the corys feed there and I like to keep it tidy for them. I go down about 1/2 an inch I guess in these places; otherwise I tend to run the syphon tube over the surface without really dislodging the gravel, and I make sure to get around the small plants like the pygmy chain swords because stuff can build up around them quickly and some plant authorities suggest this is detrimental to the plants.

If you go down very far you will disturb the bacteria down there which I personally think it better not to do. They are there for a purpose, whether aerobic or anaerobic, and its all part of the biological equilibrium in the tank. There is quite a comlex process going on in the substrate, between the plant roots (which produce oxygen for some of the bacteria), the aerobic bacteria, and the anaerobic bacteria.

Are you using a manual water changer, or one connected to a faucet (like the Python model)? If the latter, you can vary the amount of water at the tap, less water turned on means less suction so less is drawn out of the tank. The manual ones run as they do, and yes, it can be quick. I've never seen a manual one with a guage to adjust.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:22 PM   #45
 
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Food Question.

I have purchased a couple more containers of food and I am mixing the food together before dropping it in the tank.

I have:

Wardley Essentials Tropical Fish Flakes
Wardley Essentials Guppy Flakes
Big Als Spirulina Color enhancement Flake Food

I am feeding 3 times a day and there is a frenzy when I come near the tank. Pretty hilarious. Who knew fish could be trained! LOL

Any downside to what I am doing?
Goodness me, I can't keep up with you! Must be few others online, or I'm sure they'd be jumping in. Anyway, I'm here, so...

My one suggestion would be to forget the colour enhancing food. I've no scientific evidence, so this is purely my own thinking and may be wrong, but I suspect there are things in that food that may not be the best in nourishment. In another thread or perhaps another forum, I recall recently reading that some aquarists feel there are chemicals or other substances in the food (the colour enhancers) that the fish really don't need. Better to feed natural foods. Again, this is only passing on what I've read. I've looked at these cans in the store and always put them down fairly quickly.

I use Wardley's Essential flakes as one of my three or four regulars, along with Tetra, OSI and Nutrafin, all "basic" flakes. I also have Earthworm flakes (haven't used these yet, saw them and knowing how nutritious earthworms are for larger fish I though the hatchets and characins might like it). And freeze dried bloodworms, handy for surface fish because they are chunky but float like small insects. And then I have 3 types of sinking tablet/pellet food, one being a vegetable (spirulina/algae) because of the Farlowella and Whiptail but all the fish go after it so they're getting their veggies too.

I would probably reduce feedings to twice a day, or even once. I read in one article that all the nutrition a normal fish requires for the day can be found in just one flake. And of course many go away on vacation for a week or even two and say they don't bother having the fish fed, if they are healthy beforehand. I feed flake and tablet in the morning, about an hour or so after the tank lights come on; and in the early evening I feed frozen bloodworms or frozen daphnia. I actually only do the latter because I have a few species of fish in both tanks that are wild caught and will not eat anything but live or frozen bloodworms (I've managed to wean them onto this). I see some of them picking at flake in the morning, but I'm not sure how much they actually eat.

Fish are pretty quick to learn things where food is concerned. When I was working I had to leave here before dawn so I never fed the fish in the morning. Always first thing when I got home at 6 pm. And they knew it. Every day, even on weekends when I was here and around the tanks, they would all congregate at the top left corner (where i always fed them) around 5-6 but basically ignored me the earlier part of the day simply because they did not expect food then. And now that I feed them in the morning, they do the same, but if I go into the fishroom at noon I do not get the same response. But around 5 pm (when I now feed the bloodworms), they are ready; and the three spotted woodcats (they are one of the bloodworms-only eaters) in the 115g that are totally nocturnal and spend the daylight inside tunnels in the wood, know and are sitting at the tunnel entrances looking and waiting, and as soon as the glass slides back they are charging around the wood in a circle. When I close the tank lid afterwards, they disappear back into their tunnels until total darkness descends.

Fascinating hobby isn't it--and a fascinating world.

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Old 08-28-2009, 05:40 PM   #46
 
> Goodness me, I can't keep up with you!

Well, this is all new to me and I figure it is best to ask while the fish are moving around the bottom of the tank rather than just floating upside down on the top!!

I hear you on both counts.

The siphon I am using is a simple manual one. A big cylinder and a hose. I will stick with this for now. As this is all new and novel, I don't mind the work. Later, if this remains as interesting, I will invest in a bigger tank and better equipment.

Sorry to place a heavy question burden on you. I do have one more question about that cloudy water.

How can I tell if it is the WRONG cloudy water? If this is all stirred up stuff, then it should clear by late evening with the help of the filter. If not, what then?
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:47 PM   #47
 
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If you go down very far you will disturb the bacteria down there which I personally think it better not to do. They are there for a purpose, whether aerobic or anaerobic, and its all part of the biological equilibrium in the tank. There is quite a comlex process going on in the substrate, between the plant roots (which produce oxygen for some of the bacteria), the aerobic bacteria, and the anaerobic bacteria.
I went down about a half inch. Basically, I disturbed the surface to get the fish doo-doo up. As I did that, you could clearly see it coming up. I was surprised at the amount!!! The seem to poop constantly.

I haven't lost a fish yet and it has been almost 3 weeks so I must be doing something right or I am just lucky. Hope I haven't jinx myself!!

Thanks again, greatly appreciate the time and effort you spend on the responses!!
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:05 AM   #48
 
Quick Update on Cloudy Water....

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Tank is crystal this morning. :) :)
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:30 PM   #49
 
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Quick Update on Cloudy Water....

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Tank is crystal this morning. :) :)
Good. That means it was the "normal" cloudiness following a pwc. I didn't respond yesterday as I was offline, back on just now.

Yes, as I recall livebearers produce a fair amount of waste, and of course the more you feed them the more there will be; I gather you're considering reducing the feeding, probably a good idea. The other thing about overfeeding is that it quickens their metabolism [not sure i've got the right word] which is like wearing them out sooner. As with other animals including we humans, overeating is not a good idea.

Everything seems to be on track. Looking back through this thread, you have plants and used a biological supplement, and with that I expected things would be fine and after a week they seem to be from your posts. Good work.

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Old 08-29-2009, 05:38 PM   #50
 
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Good Work

Thank you, Master!

Yes, so far, I am delighted with the results. And, I couldn't have done it without you!

OK, I am going to cut down the feeding. I will admit, it is hard to do. I like watching them eat.

It is a nurturing thing. I think I will feed twice a day.

Again, can't thank you enough for the help. Forums like this are a major contribution to any hobby. Especially, people like you who put in the time. I, for one, greatly appreciate the time you have spent guiding me.

Right now, as I type this, the family is admiring the tank! and... they want to FEED THEM!!! LOL
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