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Setting Up New 10g Tank - Need Advice
Old 08-24-2009, 05:45 AM   #31
 
Thank you Willow. I had a good night last night, but I suspect this will take a good week.

I have a new concern now as we move along. Cleaning the bottom. Part of the "kit" I have includes a siphon for vaccuming the bottom. I have never done this before. Any tips on how often I should do this and what the technic is?

Greatly appreciate your comments.

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Old 08-24-2009, 09:02 AM   #32
 
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Most of us vacuum the substrate when doing the weekly partial water change. You can run the syphon tube along the top of the gravel to collect any mulm sitting there, and where there are no plants push it very slightly into the gravel to stir it up and remove the smaller particles that have begun to work their way down. With plants, this mulm is food so you don't want to remove all of it. As I have plants and corys, I tend to go into the gravel in the areas I can see that have no plants so the crys have a cleaner substrate to sift through when feeding.
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:02 AM   #33
 
OK, those are all good points. I will give it a shot later this afternoon. Thanks
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Old 08-25-2009, 07:52 AM   #34
 
Are bottom feeders a good thing?

If so, what would you recommend for a 10G tank? My setup is listed in my first post in this thread.

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Old 08-25-2009, 08:57 AM   #35
 
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Are bottom feeders a good thing?

If so, what would you recommend for a 10G tank? My setup is listed in my first post in this thread.

Thanks
More than anything, bottom feeders add interest by being active mostly along the substrate. They may eat food that falls to the bottom, depending upon species of fish. Unlike what most of us were told when we started out, they do not clean the substrate; the aquarist still has to vacuum regularly. But I always like to include them for the interest factor.

In a 10g you haven't a lot of space left with 3 mollies, 2 platies and 2 guppies, but if you're regular with the weekly partial water change and don't overfeed I would suggest a group of small corydoras, 3-5. Most of the species max out at around 2 iches, but there are a few that get larger and I would avoid those only because they will increase the bioload and at 4 inches are better suited to larger tanks. The commonly-named "emerald" cory in petstores is usually Brochis splendens, related to the Corydoras but one of the larger ones to avoid in a 10g. The common "peppered" cory (Corydoras paleatus) is nice, and the common green cory (Corydoras aeneus) also, and both are regularly available. But there are many others very interesting in pattern and behaviour, and you might want to browse around; you can check out species info with photos at this site PlanetCatfish • the online home of aquarium catfishes

I went back through this thread and didn't see any info on your water parameters, but in Toronto I woldn't expect your water to be too hard and alkaline. Livebearers (the fish you have now) do better in slightly basic (alkaline) water with a pH above 7.0, and corys would manage OK as long as your pH is below 8.0, especially the commonly-available ones that are now mostly tank or pond-raised and thus better adapted to this water. Corydoras originate from South America in waters usually slightly to quite acidic, but this is of significance if you get wild caught fish; the more commonly-available commercially raised varieties have adapted well.

I mentioned getting 3-5 because corydoras are social fish that should be kept in a group, and I have found three to be the minimum. Three peppered and 2 green would be OK, they get along with each other regardless of species, although I have found they do like at least one of their own species for comfort. A couple of good quality tablet/sinking pellet foods will ensure they get their nutrition; drop in one or two tabs when feeding the flake and they'll find it, or drop the tablets in after the light goes out; corydoras are active during the night, unlike the other fish.

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Old 08-25-2009, 07:09 PM   #36
 
Byron,

I love your posts! :) They answer my questions well and scare me to death at the same time! LOL

So, I now have to learn about water parameters!! SHIVER-ME-TIMBERS!

OK, so, if the bottom feeders add to the stress of the bio-load, I would rather populate the tank with more interesting fish. I also think I am going to have a problem with the Molly's. I have two males and one female. The larger male is very amorous and has been doing the "nasty" non stop lately. I suspect there may be an increase in the Molly population soon. That is going to be a whole new headache wading into unchartered waters!!! I will wait and see before I panic. How can you tell if the female is prego?

My favorites in the tank currently are the Red Platy. They are very attractive and I would like to add another pair, maybe a different type. How can I figure out when I am maxed out?

Thanks again, you have been a treasure trove of information and help and I greatly appreciate the detail of your answers.

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Old 08-25-2009, 07:31 PM   #37
 
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Byron,

I love your posts! :) They answer my questions well and scare me to death at the same time! LOL

So, I now have to learn about water parameters!! SHIVER-ME-TIMBERS!

OK, so, if the bottom feeders add to the stress of the bio-load, I would rather populate the tank with more interesting fish. I also think I am going to have a problem with the Molly's. I have two males and one female. The larger male is very amorous and has been doing the "nasty" non stop lately. I suspect there may be an increase in the Molly population soon. That is going to be a whole new headache wading into unchartered waters!!! I will wait and see before I panic. How can you tell if the female is prego?

My favorites in the tank currently are the Red Platy. They are very attractive and I would like to add another pair, maybe a different type. How can I figure out when I am maxed out?

Thanks again, you have been a treasure trove of information and help and I greatly appreciate the detail of your answers.

Big Fish
Thank you. If you have male and female mollies or platys they will breed non-stop. You will have hundreds of fry in no time. That being the case, I would not add any more fish. [I had missed this point previously.] Your problem is going to be what to do with the fry. If left in the tank, the other fish will eat some of them, but many will likely survive. Better have a room of tanks ready or find a store or someone to take them.

The advantage (depending upon how one views things) of egglayers is that they will often spawn but the eggs are quickly (within seconds usually) gobbled up by other fish. With livebearers, the fry have a better chance of darting into plants, and finding food is not usually a problem for them at their size. And once a female is impregnated, she can deliver fry every 3-4 weeks and for several months from just one mating. This is why those who want to selectively breed strains have to separate the young almost immediately; the fish develop the ability to mate very early, and once mated the female is no longer useful for selective breeding.

Enjoy your livebearers. I'll bet this post has really scared you.

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Old 08-26-2009, 05:25 AM   #38
 
OH BOY!!! [wacking the side of my head!]

Well, finding someone to take them is out. So, that leaves a store, I guess. Wasn't counting on this. I guess I will have to make a few phone calls. I need this like a hole in the head!

Several MONTHS!!!!!!! Come on!! Seriously? How many fry are delivered at a time? Maybe, it would be best to give up the female now before this starts. How can you tell she is ready to start popping them out?

This isn't going to go over well with the young fish lover in the house! Every fish has a name!

The Platys and the guppies I have are two male pairs so there is no worries about breeding.

Are stores typcially receptive to FREE FISH from unknown tanks? These originally came from Big Al's.
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:57 AM   #39
 
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OH BOY!!! [wacking the side of my head!]

Well, finding someone to take them is out. So, that leaves a store, I guess. Wasn't counting on this. I guess I will have to make a few phone calls. I need this like a hole in the head!

Several MONTHS!!!!!!! Come on!! Seriously? How many fry are delivered at a time? Maybe, it would be best to give up the female now before this starts. How can you tell she is ready to start popping them out?

This isn't going to go over well with the young fish lover in the house! Every fish has a name!

The Platys and the guppies I have are two male pairs so there is no worries about breeding.

Are stores typcially receptive to FREE FISH from unknown tanks? These originally came from Big Al's.
It's been 20 years since i last had livebearers, so i checked around and here's a site with info that is as i remember things. Black Molly

It mentiones a female delivering 60 fry every 2.5 months, and also talks about what I mentioned previously about impregnation and the importance of separating males and females quickly after birth. You can find info on platys, but if memory serves me they are very similar.

Each store has its own policy on taking fish I expect, probably dependant upon how many they can sell and what, if anything, you want for them in return. You'd probably have plenty of takers in Vancouver, since with our very soft water livebearers do not fare well unless one provides the harder alkaline (basic) water they need to be healthy. The owner of the 2 Big Al's stores here told me a week or so back that he seldom sees customers bringing in livebearer fry like he would elsewhere in NA because with our water the fish don't last long. He treats his water and sells quite a few livebearers brought in from suppliers.

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Old 08-28-2009, 04:11 PM   #40
 
Well, if I could ship to him, I would... gladly! LOL

I have concluded my tank maintanence for the first week. I vacuumed the bottom, got a fair amount of the stuff out of the gravel. I took out 2 gallons of water before I stopped.

I have poured back in clean, declorinated water and added the new tank, Multi-Purpose again for bacteria.

The water does not seem quite as clear as I would like. Is this normal? Overall, the tank is clean. Just a tad cloudy. Fish seem very happy, swimming around. In fact, the guppies have become more vibrant in color.
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