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Old 01-28-2012, 03:15 PM   #31
 
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Mangrove is fine, years ago I used that because it was the most common in local stores. It is basically black in colour, very authentic.

Collecting wood can work, there is always a bit of a risk since we cannot know what if anything it may have soaked up. Collecting it in a forest would likely resolve this issue as far as chemicals and pesticides go. Hard woods like oak and beech, there may be others but I have often seen these two recommended as "safe" as far as the hardness and sap iisues go. It must be dry, i.e., off the tree for a while so there is no sap left in it. Remove all bark. Rinse it, in boiling water.
i looked at mangroves yesterday night and it said that they were primarily saltwater or brackish plants. are there freshwater species? or are they able to adapt to freshwater in general? and i didnt look up where they are from but if they are not from the amazon i think its safer to use them as compared to the natural wood. i live by the ocean at home so not many fallen trees but a lot of saltwater logged driftwood on the beach haha :) out of curiosity, would driftwood from the ocean be ok to use? or would it leak out salt and do all kinds of nasty things?

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I'm excited to see your tank! :)

I had good luck with this guy:
The Driftwood Store

Good customer service, reasonable pricing and quite a variety. There are large stumpy pieces and also thinner more squiggly pieces (which is what I got).
thanks magpie! i really want to get it started. unfortunately it will be a few months before that can happen but when i do i will dry to post images of it step by step :) aquarium log of some kind haha. and that store looks good. i will look into it but from the pictures i am not sure if they sell branches. maybe i will ask them sometime.
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Old 01-28-2012, 04:23 PM   #32
 
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i looked at mangroves yesterday night and it said that they were primarily saltwater or brackish plants. are there freshwater species? or are they able to adapt to freshwater in general? and i didnt look up where they are from but if they are not from the amazon i think its safer to use them as compared to the natural wood. i live by the ocean at home so not many fallen trees but a lot of saltwater logged driftwood on the beach haha :) out of curiosity, would driftwood from the ocean be ok to use? or would it leak out salt and do all kinds of nasty things?
I was assuming you meant the aquarium wood called mangrove that one can buy (or used to be able to buy) in some fish stores. I have not seen it for some time locally, and now I use Malaysian Driftwood which is very similar though a tad more brown than black, but very natural.

If you actualy mean planting mangrove plants, yes, they are brackish water, but they grow into large trees.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:12 AM   #33
 
i like the malaysian driftwood since it is denser. my roommate just bought some along with mopani. i had a slab of mopani before and i had no problems with it. the water stained really quickly which was nice especially since i was running neons in it before. i would like to buy driftwood that is straight up and down and looks like trees. so maybe i can find mangrove wood somewhere. i thought they only sold the plant but if they sell the branches alone that would be awesome :)

on another note, so far with this amazon tank, my father wanted to buy a 38 gallon. it is 36 long, 12 deep, and 20 high as compared to the breeder which is 36 long, i think 14 or 16 deep, and 18 high. i told him about the surface area deal and the weight of the sand. right now im just in a waiting period. i woul dlike the 40 gallon tank. but ithnk he will end up getting the 38 gallon tank.

in the meanwhile, i exchanged a 10 gallon tank for a 5 gallon tank (i bought both but am using the smaller one in my room at school). i was thinking of starting a little nano tank of sorts. i looked up some inhabitants and i came across badis badis. they look interesting so i was thinking about doing that.

my question is 1) are there any other fishes/plants/invertebrates i can do here that would help me when i set up my tank in the summer? i want to prep myself like for plant care or aquascaping and lighting and such. essentially just ideas for a 5 gallon tank would be awesome.
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:32 AM   #34
 
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i like the malaysian driftwood since it is denser. my roommate just bought some along with mopani. i had a slab of mopani before and i had no problems with it. the water stained really quickly which was nice especially since i was running neons in it before. i would like to buy driftwood that is straight up and down and looks like trees. so maybe i can find mangrove wood somewhere. i thought they only sold the plant but if they sell the branches alone that would be awesome :)

on another note, so far with this amazon tank, my father wanted to buy a 38 gallon. it is 36 long, 12 deep, and 20 high as compared to the breeder which is 36 long, i think 14 or 16 deep, and 18 high. i told him about the surface area deal and the weight of the sand. right now im just in a waiting period. i woul dlike the 40 gallon tank. but ithnk he will end up getting the 38 gallon tank.

in the meanwhile, i exchanged a 10 gallon tank for a 5 gallon tank (i bought both but am using the smaller one in my room at school). i was thinking of starting a little nano tank of sorts. i looked up some inhabitants and i came across badis badis. they look interesting so i was thinking about doing that.

my question is 1) are there any other fishes/plants/invertebrates i can do here that would help me when i set up my tank in the summer? i want to prep myself like for plant care or aquascaping and lighting and such. essentially just ideas for a 5 gallon tank would be awesome.
I have found some chunks of Malaysian Driftwood that were fairly straight, and when placed with the largest end in the substrate can resemble tree trunks. Check out the photos of my tanks ["Aquariums" below my name on the left] and see if that is what you are thinking.

On the 5g, depending upon light, for plants you could use pygmy chain sword, dwarf sword, various crypts, Sagittaria subulata, Corkscrew Vallisneria. For floating in a small tank I like Brazilian Pennywort because it is easier to keep it in check, though Water Sprite will also work but quickly one plant can cover the entire surface. For fish, consider the dwarf species like Ember Tetra, Scarlet Badis (not Badis badis which is too large at over 3 inches), one of the Boraras rasbora dwarfs, etc. And of course freshwater shrimp. One of the cory dwarf species if soft water.

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Old 02-07-2012, 05:08 PM   #35
 
those are great suggestions. i was looking at the scarlet badis for a while and i read that they are not too keen with dried foods so i might have to grow live foods. lately i have been browsing aquabid to find good online deals on fish. the LFS at school where i am are really really low in diversity. are there any other sites that i can use? i like to browse in my free time between tests and stuff.

also there is a new show on ABC called the river and its about the amazon so im pretty curious. of course its not about fish but its gotten some hype. just thought it would be cool to mention haha :)

now a random question i just thought of with regards to a filter. i have noticed that some tanks have modifications on the outflow valve of the the canister filter that are supposed to moderate flow. will i need this for my tank? i was thinking of just attaching a PVC pipe to the output and drill some holes in it to create a spread out flow. is this necessary to keep the plants alive?
i hope my question makes sense. and if i do use these, how should they be positioned?
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:10 PM   #36
 
also byron, i know you like natural aquariums with minimal need for outside intervention. i saw this cool picture i came across of a natural CO2 system that is run by yeast. i thought it was so cool so i just wanted to share with you and get your thoughts on it :)

the website that explains it is here.
http://www.qsl.net/w2wdx/aquaria/diyco2.html
just something i thought was pretty cool even though it is outside but its still a natural form of outside :)
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:55 PM   #37
 
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those are great suggestions. i was looking at the scarlet badis for a while and i read that they are not too keen with dried foods so i might have to grow live foods. lately i have been browsing aquabid to find good online deals on fish. the LFS at school where i am are really really low in diversity. are there any other sites that i can use? i like to browse in my free time between tests and stuff.
Don't know much about online fish dealers as I never use them. But if you're in the US one of the best is AnubiasDesign owned by Mark Denaro. They get some lovely fish from time to time. Website is
AnubiasDesign.com which for some reason rarely works for me, there is also a Yahoo group here
anubiasdesign : Anubias Design

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also there is a new show on ABC called the river and its about the amazon so im pretty curious. of course its not about fish but its gotten some hype. just thought it would be cool to mention haha :)
I've not spotted this, when is it on ABC?

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now a random question i just thought of with regards to a filter. i have noticed that some tanks have modifications on the outflow valve of the the canister filter that are supposed to moderate flow. will i need this for my tank? i was thinking of just attaching a PVC pipe to the output and drill some holes in it to create a spread out flow. is this necessary to keep the plants alive?
i hope my question makes sense. and if i do use these, how should they be positioned?
If you are still going with a 55g (4-foot tank) and a canister filter (you mentioned Rena, Fluval and Eheim in post #1) you will be fine with one of these that is rated for this size tank. Some of these may have flow controls, depends upon model I think. And they all likely come with a spray bar that I would place along the top of one of the end walls and direct the flow into and down the wall. The filter intake should be at the opposite end.
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:56 PM   #38
 
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also byron, i know you like natural aquariums with minimal need for outside intervention. i saw this cool picture i came across of a natural CO2 system that is run by yeast. i thought it was so cool so i just wanted to share with you and get your thoughts on it :)

the website that explains it is here.
DIY CO2 System for Planted Aquarium
just something i thought was pretty cool even though it is outside but its still a natural form of outside :)
I can't comment as I've no experience with CO2 systems. Some other members do though, so they will jump in I'm sure.
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:07 PM   #39
 
ok i have seen a lot of settings for the spray bar. i just wanted to know what you thought because i like the way you set up your tanks. and the show was on yesterday at 9pm eastern on ABC. it was basically about an explorer who got lost and then his beacon went off again. pretty weird and pretty creepy.

also do you know how reliable buying online is? or would you recommend that i ask my LFS to order the fish for me? the reason i ask is that the honeycomb catfish, your profile photo, is hard to find. i saw it once at my LFS but it was gone the next week. they stock some weird stuff in my LFS at home. there was a goliath tigerfish, a 3 foot nurse shark, some lung fish. pretty cool stuff but it goes in and out. so should i buy online and ship or call and ask the store to order it?
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:15 AM   #40
 
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ok i have seen a lot of settings for the spray bar. i just wanted to know what you thought because i like the way you set up your tanks. and the show was on yesterday at 9pm eastern on ABC. it was basically about an explorer who got lost and then his beacon went off again. pretty weird and pretty creepy.

also do you know how reliable buying online is? or would you recommend that i ask my LFS to order the fish for me? the reason i ask is that the honeycomb catfish, your profile photo, is hard to find. i saw it once at my LFS but it was gone the next week. they stock some weird stuff in my LFS at home. there was a goliath tigerfish, a 3 foot nurse shark, some lung fish. pretty cool stuff but it goes in and out. so should i buy online and ship or call and ask the store to order it?
I've never bought fish online, but others here have so they can comment. AnubiasDesign is I would expect very reliable, Mark gets very rare fish when in season, and judging from the newsgroup does a good solid business. There are probably other places too. I've never used them because being in Canada, I have to deal with customs and holding at the airport, and I just don't want to be bothered with that. I also have some very good importers in Vancouver. The advantage of a good store is that they have to deal with the fuss of importing, fish dying, disease upon arrival, etc., not me. And many will replace fish that die within a day or whatever. I can also see the fish myself before buying.

If you have good stores even some distance from where you live, it is worth investigating them. Sometimes a drive of an hour or two is worth it if you can get healthy rare fish.

As for the Spotted Driftwood Catfish, these guys are very rare. I only once saw them locally, and grabbed three--at considerable expense. I've had them for 3 years now.
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