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Old 06-24-2012, 02:22 AM   #151
 
ok i will start collecting rainfall. i live right by the ocean so if i leave buckets out, it will mainly be morning mist. ill probbaly have to be diligent about collecting actual rainwater. if the most efficient way to collect it is through gutters, should i run the collected rain water through a carbon filter to remove any metals? or should i collect it by leaving buckets outside in the rain

also, upon checking my tank, all the hatchets i bought have died which is bad but i am attributing that to fish store water. and one of my rams i just found dead. i know rams are a difficult fish to keep due to water conditions and such, but i have had these rams for over a month now and my water parameters seem appropriate. is it just because they are starting to mature and getting territorial? i have many hiding spots for them throughout the tank. i guess its just a size thing. this was the smallest ram.
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:38 AM   #152
 
i looked up two more plants that i was thinking about using in this tank (after my tank balances out): staurogyne repens and Heteranthera zosterifolia.
i think both are from the amazon region or at least south america. i thought it would be nice to have some patches of s. repens near my driftwood and some star grass to look different from the swords that i am planning to have. i am still thinking about cabomba provided i can get some :)
have you had experience with these plants before? will they be possible to add to my tank? also my frogbit has been losing its long roots. they are all very short now, though the frogbit is quite green and looks healthy. pennywort is still doing fine. they are almost growing out the aquarium so i will have to prune soon.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:46 PM   #153
 
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ok i will start collecting rainfall. i live right by the ocean so if i leave buckets out, it will mainly be morning mist. ill probbaly have to be diligent about collecting actual rainwater. if the most efficient way to collect it is through gutters, should i run the collected rain water through a carbon filter to remove any metals? or should i collect it by leaving buckets outside in the rain

also, upon checking my tank, all the hatchets i bought have died which is bad but i am attributing that to fish store water. and one of my rams i just found dead. i know rams are a difficult fish to keep due to water conditions and such, but i have had these rams for over a month now and my water parameters seem appropriate. is it just because they are starting to mature and getting territorial? i have many hiding spots for them throughout the tank. i guess its just a size thing. this was the smallest ram.
I would collect rainwater in clean tubs or buckets. One of those plastic garbage bin containers would be fine. Water off a roof might pick up chemicals from the roofing or eaves.

The fish deaths could be one of several things. Have you tested ammonia, nitrite an nitrate? Temperature? How long has the tank been running?
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:26 AM   #154
 
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I would collect rainwater in clean tubs or buckets. One of those plastic garbage bin containers would be fine. Water off a roof might pick up chemicals from the roofing or eaves.

The fish deaths could be one of several things. Have you tested ammonia, nitrite an nitrate? Temperature? How long has the tank been running?
ok i will do that when it rains. since it is the summer right now, there wont be too much. would collecting morning mist be the same as rain?
the ammonia and nitrite are both 0ppm so that is good. the nitrate i checked yesterday and it is still between 0 and 5ppm (closer to 5ppm). i did not do my water change this week as you suggested that i wait 10 days after the ich treatment began and then 3 to 4 days after that before making a water change.
the temperature is about 86 as i am still dealing with the ich. i cant see much ich left on the fish so im praying for the best now. the tank has been up and running since about a month and 1 week so about 5 weeks since i filled it with water and plants (may 14th). my rams seem to be getting a little aggressive amongst themselves. i noticed two of them today flaring and attacking each other. one of them now seems to be hiding. it looks like s/he was injured so i hope s/he survives his injuries. im just hoping that once the rams pair off and mark territories that they will be able to avoid major altercations. losing fish is terrible.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:16 AM   #155
 
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ok i will do that when it rains. since it is the summer right now, there wont be too much. would collecting morning mist be the same as rain?
the ammonia and nitrite are both 0ppm so that is good. the nitrate i checked yesterday and it is still between 0 and 5ppm (closer to 5ppm). i did not do my water change this week as you suggested that i wait 10 days after the ich treatment began and then 3 to 4 days after that before making a water change.
the temperature is about 86 as i am still dealing with the ich. i cant see much ich left on the fish so im praying for the best now. the tank has been up and running since about a month and 1 week so about 5 weeks since i filled it with water and plants (may 14th). my rams seem to be getting a little aggressive amongst themselves. i noticed two of them today flaring and attacking each other. one of them now seems to be hiding. it looks like s/he was injured so i hope s/he survives his injuries. im just hoping that once the rams pair off and mark territories that they will be able to avoid major altercations. losing fish is terrible.
This is a very long thread and i've forgotten the tank size, but in my experience with several species of dwarf cichlids, aggressiveness is comon and fish die from it. We tend to forget that in their habitats, these fish never live in anywhere near so close proximity to each other as we force them into in an aquarium. They have a strong instinct to protect their territory and their brood.

You can leave the temp high for several days, just to be sure. Stopping treatments too soon can result in no cure and having to start all over.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:43 PM   #156
 
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This is a very long thread and i've forgotten the tank size, but in my experience with several species of dwarf cichlids, aggressiveness is comon and fish die from it. We tend to forget that in their habitats, these fish never live in anywhere near so close proximity to each other as we force them into in an aquarium. They have a strong instinct to protect their territory and their brood.

You can leave the temp high for several days, just to be sure. Stopping treatments too soon can result in no cure and having to start all over.
yeah it is. i have a lot of questions and i'm learning quite a bit from you through this thread about many aspects of fish keeping.
the tank size is a 40 gallon breeder tank. i think i will keep my numbers at 4 at least until i can tell who is male and who is female. i know for certain my two most mature fish are both females. the other two could be 1 male and 1 female.
i started the ich treatments on the 16th so i plan to keep them going until at least the 26th/27th which was the 10 days you recommended or a few days after i no longer see signs of the ich. after that i will let the temperature drop back down and do a water change 3-4 days after to remove the coppersafe.
also, byron have you had experience with staurogyne repens and stargrass before? they look interesting and i would like to add them to my tank. just wondering if you had used them or know about them from a subjective point of view.
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:04 PM   #157
 
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also, byron have you had experience with staurogyne repens and stargrass before? they look interesting and i would like to add them to my tank. just wondering if you had used them or know about them from a subjective point of view.
S. repens is apparently fairly new in the hobby. I know nothing about it. Here's a link to a site where they sell it, so i can't vouch for the info.
Staurogyne Repens Plant - Green Leaf Aquariums

Heteranthera zosterifolia [stargrass] I've never seen locally so haven't tried it either. Here's some info from Tropica:
Plant Details
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:40 AM   #158
 
thanks for the links byron. just an update. my package of plants came in yesterday so i rescaped my tank. it looks quite a bit better than it did before. i cut down on the amount of pennywort i had. i literally had enough to fill 2 40 gallons before this rescape.
its lights out for my tank now, but i will post a photo of the tank tomorrow and definitely would appreciate any feedback you might have :)
the S. repens, i planted it. i assumed that like pennywort, as long as you had enough stem, it owuld eventually grow roots. and since there are no roots in teh water column i think i have to go get root tabs tomorw. the package also came with some sunset hygro (i am in california so i believe it is legal here), blyxa japonica i think, and one more rare plant, but i think it died in shipment, which is just my luck. anyhow, though i wanted it to be an amazon tank, the seller was nice enough to give me all these other plants so i figured dont let them go to waste and just use them :)
updates on the fish, the rams are doing well now and so are the two honeycombs. i dont visibly see any signs of ich so i will turn down the temperature thursday. then do a water change on sunday as planned.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:43 AM   #159
 
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Knuggs also sells repens if you want to get it from him, mine I got from him haven't decided if they want to take off or die yet but when they arrived they looked great
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:55 PM   #160
 
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Knuggs also sells repens if you want to get it from him, mine I got from him haven't decided if they want to take off or die yet but when they arrived they looked great
hey varkolak i just got the s. repens in yesterday. the plant looks great though i am unsure on how to propagate them. if you have any tips or know how to, let me know :)
on another note, this is my tank now. comments on the aquascape are welcome :)
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