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Old 11-02-2013, 02:07 PM   #11
 
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Welcome! Don't feel too badly about jumping the gun. I lost almost all of my original fish because i stocked becore my cycle was far enough along. Anyways, depending on what all you plan on stocking, corydoras catfish are fun little bottom dwellers. They need to be in groups though, like 4 or more. So make sure if you go that route there doesn't end up being an over stock problem. But a small school of Cory cats and a school of tetras should work in your 20g. Good luck!
Thanks for the advice. I'm not the biggest fan of the cories but they might grow on me. I like the idea of being able to have more than one hanging out down there. :3
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:39 PM   #12
 
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Glad to hear that things are getting better!

Did you buy the test kits yet? It's a shame they don't sell the complete pack! I'd honestly recommend buying the master test kit online, and the small one there (or online, too.) It would save some money, but then you also have to wait on shipping which can be a nail-biter.

4 gallons is actually a bit low on the water change size (but that's alright for the daily changes, I think, but you may want to up it when you get the kinks all work out and are on a weekly schedule to around 10 gallons per change (50%)). IMO you can never change too much water, as long as you don't get it so low they fish have no room to swim, lol. That wouldn't be fun!

The cloudy water...there are several possibilities. One is that since your tank may not be cycled is that it's a bacterial bloom (harmless). Another is that the water from your tap may just be a bit cloudy (harmless, at least in my experience. My tap is slightly cloudy, which is especially noticeable when I change large volumes of water, but it clears within a day or so.).


If you do go with corydoras though, you may want to give serious consideration to changing out the gravel for sand, as gravel can damage their barbels/mouths/tummies. Some people have kept them successfully on small smooth rounded gravel, but after seeing firsthand the damage gravel can cause it isn't something I'd try, personally.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:19 AM   #13
 
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Glad to hear that things are getting better!

Did you buy the test kits yet? It's a shame they don't sell the complete pack! I'd honestly recommend buying the master test kit online, and the small one there (or online, too.) It would save some money, but then you also have to wait on shipping which can be a nail-biter.

4 gallons is actually a bit low on the water change size (but that's alright for the daily changes, I think, but you may want to up it when you get the kinks all work out and are on a weekly schedule to around 10 gallons per change (50%)). IMO you can never change too much water, as long as you don't get it so low they fish have no room to swim, lol. That wouldn't be fun!

The cloudy water...there are several possibilities. One is that since your tank may not be cycled is that it's a bacterial bloom (harmless). Another is that the water from your tap may just be a bit cloudy (harmless, at least in my experience. My tap is slightly cloudy, which is especially noticeable when I change large volumes of water, but it clears within a day or so.).


If you do go with corydoras though, you may want to give serious consideration to changing out the gravel for sand, as gravel can damage their barbels/mouths/tummies. Some people have kept them successfully on small smooth rounded gravel, but after seeing firsthand the damage gravel can cause it isn't something I'd try, personally.
I did finally get the master test kit but they didn't have the gh/kh kit so I didn't get that one yet. My pH is very high. I've tested it a few times and the readings have been between 8.2 and 8.4 each time and the water comes out of my tap at 7.8-8.0 which I thought was kind of ridiculous. I would have imagined that it should come out at a nice neutral 7.0, but what do I know? ><
So I'm going to get some pH down because I know that pretty much all of the fish I want like something more neutral or acidic. Would that have stressed my fish out as well, the high pH? That was the only thing that I found really with the tests.
The ammonia was 0, nitrites were 0 and nitrates were low at 5ppm. I'm going to order some moss balls from e-Bay soon to help with the nitrate removal. (Would get them at petsmart but they want $8 for one (o.O) and you can get 5 for $5 on e-bay.
Regarding the cories, I might not go that route then because I don't really like the look of sand and my filters said that they shouldn't be used with sand. Any other thoughts on smaller bottom feeders or were those about the extent? ;o
Although, I should say that the gravel I have is the natural stone looking kind so it's pretty smooth, though it's mixed with a little colored kind. I got the tank at goodwill for $25 with a stand, heater, filter, hood and gravel already in it which is why it's mixed with the colored.

About the water changes, right now I don't have a way to get 10 gallons ready for a water change so I was thinking about 4 gallons monday, 2 gallons wednesday and then another 4 gallons on friday until I can get another bucket. Suppose I could do 5 gallons twice, though. Does that seem reasonable?
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Old 11-09-2013, 03:19 AM   #14
 
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Instead of medicine I would use salt (you will get conflicting advice on this) but it can't be worse than what's going on now. I'm so sorry to hear that you lost yourfish. Great advice in that first response... use1 teaspoon per gallon and add the saltwater slowly with water changes. Oh yeah , a30% waterchange every other day can only help. Good luck and stick with it. This is a learning experienceand canbe very helpfull to you once the misery of the ordeal is past. I agree with the other memberwho said that water quality is what is driving your problems.
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Old 11-09-2013, 07:39 AM   #15
 
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Regarding the cycling of the tank, I did use some Start Zyme that claims to jumpstart the cycling process but perhaps I still didn't wait long enough then?
Unfortunately, Startzyne does not contain the nitrifying bacteria you need to cycle your tank. If you;re interested in using bottled-bacteria, Tetra Safestart is easily available. ATM Colony, API Quickstart and Niteout have the bacteria you need. To be effective these live bacteria need to be fresh and never have been frozen or overheated in shipping. Dr Tim's One-and-Only is available only online, but it ships fresh from the factory in an insulated container. It's most likely to arrive in your tank alive. It's also the most expensive.

You'll need a source of "pure" ammonia if you want to cycle your tank before adding fish, which is recommended if you're going to stock heavily from the beginning.

Large water changes do not remove nitrifying bacteria. They live on surfaces and in your filter. Not so much in the water column.

Don't mess with your pH. Stock fish that can accommodate what you have.

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Old 11-16-2013, 11:23 AM   #16
 
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Instead of medicine I would use salt (you will get conflicting advice on this) but it can't be worse than what's going on now. I'm so sorry to hear that you lost yourfish. Great advice in that first response... use1 teaspoon per gallon and add the saltwater slowly with water changes. Oh yeah , a30% waterchange every other day can only help. Good luck and stick with it. This is a learning experienceand canbe very helpfull to you once the misery of the ordeal is past. I agree with the other memberwho said that water quality is what is driving your problems.
Well everything's cleared up, and I gave my gourami to petco to adopt out, and now I've got some tetras in there, and it's my understanding that tetras can't manage with salt. I don't know how true that is but I read it somewhere. I've been doing 4 gallons every other day and the water is very clean and my test readings are constant at 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, and about 5 nitrates.
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Old 11-16-2013, 11:32 AM   #17
 
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Great to hear that your tank is stabilized. You are right about tetras and salt, they cannot tolerate it. Good luck with your fish!
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:32 AM   #18
 
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If your nitrate increases slightly between changes, your tank is cycled. If that's the case, you can ease off on the water changes.
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Old 11-22-2013, 06:40 PM   #19
 
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If your nitrate increases slightly between changes, your tank is cycled. If that's the case, you can ease off on the water changes.
Okay, awesome.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:42 PM   #20
 
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Any possibility you could post a pic of the tank for us? :D
Here it is, finally. I've got 4 Von Rio Flame tetras, 3 Neon tetras and 2 black skirt tetras. They all seem to school together in spite of their being of different species/varieties.
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