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post #11 of 38 Old 10-24-2013, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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Just did a 50% water change.


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post #12 of 38 Old 10-24-2013, 03:35 PM Thread Starter
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Got ammonia down to .75 with water changes.


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That's good! Hope it just stays down now!! Let us know if it goes back up again.

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It's back up at 2. I really don't know what to do

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It's back up at 2. I really don't know what to do
Well all I can say is at least it is down from 4ppm!. The water changes are working but the reason is a complete mystery at this point.
That reading you got of .75.. that the same day as that water change? I would not take a test till the next day to avoid false low readings
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Well all I can say is at least it is down from 4ppm!. The water changes are working but the reason is a complete mystery at this point.
That reading you got of .75.. that the same day as that water change? I would not take a test till the next day to avoid false low readings
In my log book I have down that I got a reading of .25 and then did a water change. I don't know why I wrote it out backwards :-/

I found the pleco dead when I went to do a water change. I don't know how long he'd been dead in the tank. He was very active yesterday, and yesterday evening he swam down into the corner and had hopped around a little bit and then rested under a plant. He didn't move the rest of yesterday, and he was still there when I went in to do the water change, so he was in that spot for almost 20 hours. There was no decay on his body, but since he'd been in the same spot for so long, I have no way to gauge when he passed. Could this have raised the ammonia that much?

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In my log book I have down that I got a reading of .25 and then did a water change. I don't know why I wrote it out backwards :-/

I found the pleco dead when I went to do a water change. I don't know how long he'd been dead in the tank. He was very active yesterday, and yesterday evening he swam down into the corner and had hopped around a little bit and then rested under a plant. He didn't move the rest of yesterday, and he was still there when I went in to do the water change, so he was in that spot for almost 20 hours. There was no decay on his body, but since he'd been in the same spot for so long, I have no way to gauge when he passed. Could this have raised the ammonia that much?
I don't think that much. Maybe a little. I think somehow you started a new cycle..and at 4ppm Ammonia the other day I'd dare to say it's no mini cycle. Something crashed it and I don't see anything you've done that should have been able to do that. With his death I'm believing your readings are correct. Dern.. Well keep track and continue water changes.
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I don't think that much. Maybe a little. I think somehow you started a new cycle..and at 4ppm Ammonia the other day I'd dare to say it's no mini cycle. Something crashed it and I don't see anything you've done that should have been able to do that. With his death I'm believing your readings are correct. Dern.. Well keep track and continue water changes.
Oh my gosh... I think I could cry.. I ordered some Stability in the hopes that it will help whatever I have going on. I guess I'm lucky that more fish haven't died with ammonia this high out of nowhere.

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I have a 55 gallon which has had a 0 ammonia reading for over a week now after getting a mini cycle from adding a canister filter. I added a tiny albino bristlenose pleco (about 1.5") and a piece of driftwood. Tuesday I had a fish die out of nowhere. I did a water change and tested the water and I had a slight jump in ammonia to .25, which I assumed the water change would take care of. I tested the water yesterday a few hours after adding Flourish comprehensive and my ammonia was at 4! I started freaking out and immediately did a 70% water change and dosed an extra tiny bit of Prime to help neutralize any leftover ammonia. I tested the water again this morning and it's back at 4! I just did another 70% water change and now I'm just at a loss. All my other fish are acting normal. The only changes are the addition of this tiny pleco and the driftwood. The driftwood has been slowly lowering my ph, which I thought would be a good thing, but maybe it's killing my bacteria? I just honestly don't know what to do. I'm at my whits end with all the issues I've had with this tank. I cannot for the life of me figure out this ammonia. I've never had it like this. I have a planted tank with 12 plants planted and 5 floating. I use Prime for a conditioner. I use the API master liquid kit to test the water. There is no ammonia in my tap water. I've cleaned my canister. I've been vacuuming my sand every day. Any thoughts?

I've also got an ammonia alert tag for inside the tank coming today to help me determine if the ammonia is free or not.
Prime still tests positive with most ammonia test kits even if the ammonia is locked.

Hopefully your ammonia dot showed ammonia at first but then almost none after the first Prime dose.

Additionally, the plants will consume the ammonia directly so Prime is not needed.

The danger with prime is that it also locks up oxygen. So you dose and dose and more and more oxygen is locked up.

I would stop adding the prime. add some anacharis plants if you don't have some already. stop changing the water, stop adding food. Then the tank will heal itself. It shouldn't take more than a few hours if the ammonia is free for the plants to consume the ammonia. If locked it could take longer.

the pH will recover as the ammonia is lowered.


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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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Prime still tests positive with most ammonia test kits even if the ammonia is locked.

Hopefully your ammonia dot showed ammonia at first but then almost none after the first Prime dose.

Additionally, the plants will consume the ammonia directly so Prime is not needed.

The danger with prime is that it also locks up oxygen. So you dose and dose and more and more oxygen is locked up.

I would stop adding the prime. add some anacharis plants if you don't have some already. stop changing the water, stop adding food. Then the tank will heal itself. It shouldn't take more than a few hours if the ammonia is free for the plants to consume the ammonia. If locked it could take longer.

the pH will recover as the ammonia is lowered.


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Thank you for this info. I'm not sure where to find anacharis but I'll take a look on eBay. I have three anubias, three Amazon swords, three planted water sprites, two water wisteria, a java fern, and several sprite sprouts floating.


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