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Old 09-11-2011, 07:03 PM   #41
 
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:27 AM   #42
 
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First to respond to your questions on the Water Sprite. I can't tell from the photos, but if it is C. thalictroides it does best planted rather than floating because the fronds (leaves) tend to grow vertical. C. cornuta tends to do better floating as the fronds grow horizontal much more readily. So the browning might be the leaves under the light. Aquatic leaves of such a delicate plant when exposed to air and so close to the light heat become dehydrated. Keep an eye on it. My C. cornuta sends out more vertical leaves now and then, same thing happens to them.

On the aquascape generally, very nice. Give the plants time to settle, a couple months and probably longer. Those are mainly swords (Echinodorus species) and they will establish, grow the submersed form of leaves which will arise from the centre of the crown, and the present leaves which are the emersed form will yellow and die off; remove them once they do. The aquascape will naturally "change" a lot by the time this is done.

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Old 09-13-2011, 08:47 PM   #43
 
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First to respond to your questions on the Water Sprite. I can't tell from the photos, but if it is C. thalictroides it does best planted rather than floating because the fronds (leaves) tend to grow vertical. C. cornuta tends to do better floating as the fronds grow horizontal much more readily. So the browning might be the leaves under the light. Aquatic leaves of such a delicate plant when exposed to air and so close to the light heat become dehydrated. Keep an eye on it. My C. cornuta sends out more vertical leaves now and then, same thing happens to them.

On the aquascape generally, very nice. Give the plants time to settle, a couple months and probably longer. Those are mainly swords (Echinodorus species) and they will establish, grow the submersed form of leaves which will arise from the centre of the crown, and the present leaves which are the emersed form will yellow and die off; remove them once they do. The aquascape will naturally "change" a lot by the time this is done.

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Thanks Byron. :D

I've noticed a lot of browning going on among most of the plants, and some leaves on the swords are going clear. Is this normal? Some are even brown completely down the stem. Should I just cut these leaves off at the base? Or as low to the substrate as possible?

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Old 09-14-2011, 10:45 AM   #44
 
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I suspect these are new Echinodorus plants since the leaves are the emersed form rather than submersed. So it is normal for the existing leaves to die off over a period of a few weeks. New growth which will be the submersed form will arise from the centre of the crown. Once a leaf has turned yellow/brown you can cut if off at the base.
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I suspect these are new Echinodorus plants since the leaves are the emersed form rather than submersed. So it is normal for the existing leaves to die off over a period of a few weeks. New growth which will be the submersed form will arise from the centre of the crown. Once a leaf has turned yellow/brown you can cut if off at the base.
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:57 AM   #46
 
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Well guys, this is a delayed update, (been a little busy) but a few days ago I got my little senegal bichir! He has quite the personality, and likes to lay on my Water Sprite and some of the broad-leafed plants.

Also, an interesting thing came to pass. A friend of mine who once liked to own fish, came to me to say they couldn't care for their remaining fish anymore, and asked me if I could take them in. I said I could, and now I also have an African Knife Fish and a Clown Loach as well. I know that the Clown Loach should be with a group of 5 or more, and preferably a bigger tank, but do you guys think it better that I just keep him since I have no one with a bigger tank to give him to? I could give him to Petsmart or Pet Supplies Plus, but you know, he'd be in a much smaller tank with a lot of other fish for a long while probably. What do you guys think I should do?
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Old 09-15-2011, 11:38 AM   #47
 
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This is a difficult decision. Loaches are very highly social fish; to keep a single loach is frankly cruel. I have maintained loaches, not clowns (insufficient tank space) but several other related species (I have groups of three species at present), and they are continually "playing" in the most amazing ways. I cannot even bear to think of keeping one alone.

Do you have any "good" fish stores, not meaning chain stores, but stores owned by aquarists who would understand this? Even if they could/would not take in fish (some stores won't due to risk of disease) they might know other hobbyists; or a local aquarium club perhaps? I belong to a local forum here in Vancouver, and when I have needed to get rid of fish I just post a thread and the response is usually overwhelming, and I can find a suitable "home." Depending where you live, there might be other members on this forum nearby that could take the loach.

If you must keep it, and it were me in that situation, I would certainly get two more for a trio. In a 3-foot tank this is manageable for the present. But recognizing that this is only temporary. At least the fish will be better off. They have a long lifespan too. But it won't alone.

BTW, the knifefish is probably another headache. Depends upon the species.

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Old 09-16-2011, 08:10 AM   #48
 
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This is a difficult decision. Loaches are very highly social fish; to keep a single loach is frankly cruel. I have maintained loaches, not clowns (insufficient tank space) but several other related species (I have groups of three species at present), and they are continually "playing" in the most amazing ways. I cannot even bear to think of keeping one alone.

Do you have any "good" fish stores, not meaning chain stores, but stores owned by aquarists who would understand this? Even if they could/would not take in fish (some stores won't due to risk of disease) they might know other hobbyists; or a local aquarium club perhaps? I belong to a local forum here in Vancouver, and when I have needed to get rid of fish I just post a thread and the response is usually overwhelming, and I can find a suitable "home." Depending where you live, there might be other members on this forum nearby that could take the loach.

If you must keep it, and it were me in that situation, I would certainly get two more for a trio. In a 3-foot tank this is manageable for the present. But recognizing that this is only temporary. At least the fish will be better off. They have a long lifespan too. But it won't alone.

BTW, the knifefish is probably another headache. Depends upon the species.

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It's a shame that my only LFS that was quite close closed a couple of months ago, they were very nice people and avid aquarists. There are one or two around still that I can check though to see if they can take him. At the same time, I'll post a thread here to see if anyone could take him as well.

As for the African Knife Fish, they don't get as long as a Black Ghost Knife, but still get up to a foot. From what I've read, they are peaceful with most fish similar to their size except for other knife fish. They do require a larger tank as well. Is there anything else I'm not considering?

If I do have to end up keeping the clown loach, what tank size would you recommend for six clown loaches, one senegal bichir, and one african knife?
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It's a shame that my only LFS that was quite close closed a couple of months ago, they were very nice people and avid aquarists. There are one or two around still that I can check though to see if they can take him. At the same time, I'll post a thread here to see if anyone could take him as well.

As for the African Knife Fish, they don't get as long as a Black Ghost Knife, but still get up to a foot. From what I've read, they are peaceful with most fish similar to their size except for other knife fish. They do require a larger tank as well. Is there anything else I'm not considering?

If I do have to end up keeping the clown loach, what tank size would you recommend for six clown loaches, one senegal bichir, and one african knife?
The latter two [there are two genera with one species each of "African" knifefish, both around 12 inches mature] will manage in a 4 foot tank but width is important due to the knifefish's rigid body so wider than the fish is needed, say an 18-inch minimum width such as a 70g or 90g. I've no idea how these two fish will interact. The loaches will manage in a 4 foot tank for a time, but eventually as noted in our profile a 6-foot tank is best. From what other members have mentioned concerning the growth of clown loach, I would think they will be OK for a couple years in a 4-foot, but if others with direct experience say different, I won't argue.

The main thing with knifefish is darkness, as they are nocturnal; dim light, floating plants both help here. And smooth surroundings, substrate and decor, to avoid damaging their scaleless skin. Jeff Howe, who is a marine biologist who has studied these fish extensively, writes that the aquarium should not be in rooms subject to multiple light changes (lights on and off, etc). Their eyesight is poor, hence the electrical field, but they are still sensitive to light around them via their skin cells, as indeed other fish are too, but this is amplified in nocturnal or semi-nocturnal species. Lots of hiding spots, under wood, in PVC pipe, etc., which also will suite the loaches. I have 5 Botia kubotai in my 90g with 6 "suitable" caves under chunks of bogwood, and it is fascinating how they have tunneled around in the gravel between the wood and large round "boulders" made of smooth river rock. A loach disappears in one spot and emerges several inches away from another.

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Old 09-20-2011, 07:20 PM   #50
 
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Hmm, I believe I have a sad update. I don't think the clown loach survived the move. The first few days he seemed alright, he was very shy and only came out at night though. I figured this was because of the absence of others of his species. I had planned to get two more clown loaches last weekend, but I noticed I couldn't find him anywhere in the tank. I thought maybe he jumped out of the tank (only half of the top is covered, working on making the other cover), but I couldn't find a body, though it's possible one of my cats found him before me and ate him D:

Just now I moved the decor around to see if he'd pop out anywhere, but I didn't even catch a glimpse of him... so I'm thinking that somehow he's gone. D: I'll leave some flakes in the tank one last time and see if I can spot him tonight, but I'm not that hopeful.
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