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Seeding before fish added?
Old 09-17-2011, 11:18 AM   #1
 
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Seeding before fish added?

I've been reading through threads on seeding, but I don't see this particular question answered. Thanks in advance for any help!

The cursed (not entirely kidding) 55g is up and running now! Yay!. With all the headaches this tank has caused in the last month, that feat seems kinda miraculous in and of itself.

So... I have only 7 MTS, sand, lots of wood, Va,l and Water Lettuce in there presently.

I also have a one week old 3g tank that has a betta, a Java Fern, and Frogbit. It received some seeding material (gravel/plants) on the first day, and a rock from a friend's tank on the 7th day.

Yesterday, I put some seeding gravel from a friend in panyhose in my 55g. But now I'm wondering- since the 55g has no fish, and therefore no good source of ammonia, should I take the seed out of the 55g, put it in the 3g, then move it back to the 55g when I start to stock it? Or is it fine to leave it in the 55g for a week or so until the fish come?

I've never had this question before, I would always seed on the day I started stocking. So your thoughts and comments are welcomed and appreciated! Thank you!
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:40 PM   #2
 
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You can read about bacteria here:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-74891/

Some sources suggest that without ammonia or nitrite, bacteria will die off. Others suggest they go into a sort of hibernation for a period of time. As you have live plants, I would not worry over this. A couple of fish added now will provide ammonia for the plants (their preferred source of nitrogen is ammonium from ammonia) and cycling will not be an issue.

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Old 09-17-2011, 01:21 PM   #3
 
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Thanks for the info! All the fish of the world really appreciate your tireless dedication to their welfare. I really appreciate it, too.

I was also thinking to ask you, because I know you've had both MTS and leaf litter together... Did you experience a population surge with your MTS when you had leaf litter? I would expect that this might be an abundant food source for them and, thus, they would multiply in numbers dependent on the amount of leaf litter. If they do eat the leaf litter and therefore multiply, is this a problem or just a case of them balancing out the system? If I should stop using leaf litter for whatever reason, how should I handle the die back that would ensue?

When I had my tanks running eight plus years ago, I didn't have this resource available. Boy, am I (and my fish) thankful for it now!
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Old 09-17-2011, 02:27 PM   #4
 
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Thanks for the info! All the fish of the world really appreciate your tireless dedication to their welfare. I really appreciate it, too.

I was also thinking to ask you, because I know you've had both MTS and leaf litter together... Did you experience a population surge with your MTS when you had leaf litter? I would expect that this might be an abundant food source for them and, thus, they would multiply in numbers dependent on the amount of leaf litter. If they do eat the leaf litter and therefore multiply, is this a problem or just a case of them balancing out the system? If I should stop using leaf litter for whatever reason, how should I handle the die back that would ensue?

When I had my tanks running eight plus years ago, I didn't have this resource available. Boy, am I (and my fish) thankful for it now!
It is amazing how beneficial the internet has become to the hobby [and many others too]. When I started so many years [decades actually] ago there were few books and one magazine (which I couldn't afford anyway). To think of the hundreds of fish I lost along the way because I knew nothing about them. And thank you for your kind words.

On the snails, yes they will likely increase a bit. It is the microscopic organisms from the leaves that they are feeding on, though some will eat the leaves too. One benefit of leaves is causing a multitude of infusoria and microscopic zooplankton to appear to feed on the leaves [which is why they are so good in fry tanks], and the snails will eat these.

I have so many snails I can't even count them. I've never had an issue with them dying, and I do from time to time find empty shells, but I suspect this would take care of itself since other snails would obviously feed off them. It's all one big natural cycle, and I always think it best to let nature do her thing.

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Old 09-17-2011, 07:54 PM   #5
 
Bacteria are pretty resilient creatures. For years and years, I had a 3000 sq. ft organic garden. I made truckloads of conventional and vemicompost. Kitchen waste, grass clippings, fall leaves.... In the cold of winter, everything just stops and freezes solid, only to begin again in the spring as temperatures warm up as though nothing had happened - basically, a suspended animation. I expect that in the absence of sufficient food or O2, autotrophic bacteria in our aquariums will suspend for a very long time before perishing. However, in this case, there will also be no 'cycle action' until there is fuel for the N2 engine.
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:08 PM   #6
 
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Thanks, AbbeysDad! My Aquarium Assistant (7 year old daughter) takes great satisfaction in informing me that some kinds of bacteria can survive even in the intense heat of a geyser. She's pretty wise, I should listen to her more often.

Thanks everyone, you're awesome!
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