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post #11 of 32 Old 12-19-2012, 08:20 AM Thread Starter
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Did you have it all in one bucket? Or did you seperate it out?

When I set up the 80 gallon, I separated my 50 pound back into two 30 pound tubs. Then I would lead in one hose to one tub while pouring silt filled water out of the other. I got the overall time down to 30 mins, and once finished has no silt/dust storm upon filling the tank with water.
I can see where a continuous flow would certain speed things up. I gave it another go this morning and was just a little more aggressive, did 't let it settle at all between hosing it and pouring off. Most of the heavy organics came out and more of the silt. Now it clears pretty quick if I do let it settle.

Interestingly there is some fleck of shiny stuff in there. Might make for an interesting look, at least until the fish crap all over it.

I'll keep at it. I do like the colour of it wet, I probably wouldn't be happy with a bright coloured bottom.......that's wet sand, in the bottom of the aquarium.

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post #12 of 32 Old 12-19-2012, 09:21 AM
I'm using pool filter sand (left over from replacing the pool filter sand that 'went over the back fence'). This sand was from Wallymart. It is very sandy color but did have a lot of fines that needed a lot of rinsing (outdoor hose and 5g pail method). However, once done, there was no clouding in the tank.

I'm convinced that sand is a better substrate than gravel as sand causes uneaten food and detritus to collect on top rather than fall into the crevices of gravel.
However, very fine grained sands may tightly pack and inhibit root growth for plants.

I can't speak to all the sands that are out there. I have seen course and fine play sands as well as some that were sandy colored and others that we white. It's kind of a crap shoot, because for sand in a sand box it just needs to be sand - the desired sand for an aquarium is very different.

Also, beyond screening for size, I'm not aware of any 'treatments' for pool filter sand.

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I now have Quikrete Play Sand in five of my tanks, and will have it in another when I reset it prob in Jan. It takes a lot of rinsing, true, but I have never had the problems some others have mentioned.

I rinse about 3 cups in a pail, with 6 or maybe 7 at most rinses. When I dump all the rinsed sand in the tank, I then fill about 5-6 inches of water, then siphon that off. Fill 2/3 of the tank and arrange hardscape and plant. Sometimes I siphon all the water out after planting, but that is it.

You can see this in the photos of my 115g (Amazon Riverscape) and 33g (Lagoon) tanks in the log [click "Aquariums" below my name on the left]. The nice thing about this sand is that it is nearly identical in appearance to the sand in many Amazonian streams, and being multi-coloured (white, black, gray, tan) detritus is invisible.

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I must have been lucky when I put play sand in my aquarium. I bought it because it was dirt cheap (or maybe sand cheap). I didn't rinse it because I was too lazy and just put it straight into the aquarium. I put a dinner plate in and poured the water on the plate to it from clouding, and the water was perfectly clear.
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I now have Quikrete Play Sand in five of my tanks, and will have it in another when I reset it prob in Jan. It takes a lot of rinsing, true, but I have never had the problems some others have mentioned.

I rinse about 3 cups in a pail, with 6 or maybe 7 at most rinses. When I dump all the rinsed sand in the tank, I then fill about 5-6 inches of water, then siphon that off. Fill 2/3 of the tank and arrange hardscape and plant. Sometimes I siphon all the water out after planting, but that is it.

You can see this in the photos of my 115g (Amazon Riverscape) and 33g (Lagoon) tanks in the log [click "Aquariums" below my name on the left]. The nice thing about this sand is that it is nearly identical in appearance to the sand in many Amazonian streams, and being multi-coloured (white, black, gray, tan) detritus is invisible.

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I cant belive your tellling people to put cement in their tanks.
Quikrete makes cement based products! You dont ever use a product that comes from a cement plant. Have you ever been to a plant where these products are refined? This is run thru the same mill as pre-mix cement and mortar. I know...I've been in those plants.

I saw this a few hrs ago and I had to sign up and give my opinion.. No wonder why so many people quit the hobby.

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You should learn to express yourself more clearly and make sure that people don't get the wrong idea about your opinion.... oh, sorry, you already looked after that.

I might expect that Byron has some idea of what he is doing and will probably respond accordingly. With the name "quikrete" I might wonder at the source myself though. I am always conscious of cross contamination in foods for various reasons and this would be no different.

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You should learn to express yourself more clearly and make sure that people don't get the wrong idea about your opinion.... oh, sorry, you already looked after that.

I might expect that Byron has some idea of what he is doing and will probably respond accordingly. With the name "quikrete" I might wonder at the source myself though. I am always conscious of cross contamination in foods for various reasons and this would be no different.

Jeff.
Quikrete and numerous other makers of play sand, tube sand, and other landscape materials are produced in plants that mix and sell pre-mixed concrete and mortar. Those plants run a batch of cement mix and once the batch is done...they make a batch of their next product. One of those products is PLAY SAND! Its all run thru the same equipment, silo's, conveyors etc. Its not broken down and cleaned, its not even rinsed off. So, if your the lucky one to get one of the first bags of play sand you just got a bag contaminated with the previous product. Play sand is sold to be used as play sand....not aquarium gravel.

Whats sad, go to any reputable LFS or talk to members of your local fish clubs and we all say the same things. Forget what you read on the internet.

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I have used that same sand in my tanks for 2 years with no problems. If you have thoughts about how you fell about the issue at hand as you see it. You might want to start off better then calling someone out.


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post #19 of 32 Old 12-19-2012, 11:55 PM
When I advise people on their tanks, I advise on the cautious side of things, doesn't mean someone elses way isn't better, just means Im not willing to trash ones tank.
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This thread has been wrangled back on topic. Lets keep it that way ;)

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