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post #21 of 28 Old 07-02-2009, 11:29 AM
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i believe stress coat by API adds a "aloe vera" like film to keep fish's gills and fins healthy
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post #22 of 28 Old 07-02-2009, 12:04 PM
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Maybe that was the ingredient I had read about? It certainly seems that aloe vera would gunk up your water.

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Qquestion: protective coating...of what?? Allantoin? Didn't I read somewhere that it can "gunk" up the water? Obviously if you're using it that's not the case. Just wondering what the ingredient was in NovAqua that aids in the slime coat.
Reading the label, it says "NovAqua forms a multi-layered, protective slime coating on fish's skin, protecting fishes during handling and minimizing infection." I've read labels on other products and I recall they also add something similar. I've certainly never seen anything from this in the water, but I know it does the job. I have heavily-chlorinated tap water and just a squirt of NovAqua when the water starts going into the tank does it with a 40% change on my 90g. Years ago I forgot to use it once, and within a couple of minutes I noticed all the fish at the surface, gasping with red (and I mean red) extended gills...knew instantly what had happened; squirted a couple doses in the tank and within several minutes the fish were back to normal, although unfortunately I lost one or two that were too far gone by the time I spottd the problem.

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post #24 of 28 Old 07-03-2009, 09:28 AM
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The problem I have with anything that claims to provide protective coating, (healthy fish can do this just fine) Is that how does it make the distinction between the fishes skin, and their gills? I too have tried these products over the years and found that they are quite efficient at gumming up the filters prematurely.
As for water conditioners that only deal with chlorine and chloramines without detoxifying ammonia as well, It is as Byron says, They break the bond that makes up chloramines(chlorine,and ammonia) and leave the ammonia in less toxic form of ammonium and rely on the healthy bacteria in the filter to consume the ammonium. This happens rather quickly in a tank with healthy biological filter but in a new tank,, There simply isn't beneficial bacteria in proportion to achieve this. So you have a less toxic form of ammonia ,,PLUS ,,the ammonia being produced by the fish through respiration,waste(poop),, and decaying organics such as food and or plant material. This is why I choose to use water conditioner such as PRIME which addresses all three toxins,, Chlorine,chloramines,and ammonia. If the product doesn't clearly state that it rmoves all three,, I won't use it.

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post #25 of 28 Old 07-03-2009, 12:35 PM
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Thanks for the info.

PS. 1077-still waiting on that EBJD update

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The problem I have with anything that claims to provide protective coating, (healthy fish can do this just fine) Is that how does it make the distinction between the fishes skin, and their gills? I too have tried these products over the years and found that they are quite efficient at gumming up the filters prematurely.
As for water conditioners that only deal with chlorine and chloramines without detoxifying ammonia as well, It is as Byron says, They break the bond that makes up chloramines(chlorine,and ammonia) and leave the ammonia in less toxic form of ammonium and rely on the healthy bacteria in the filter to consume the ammonium. This happens rather quickly in a tank with healthy biological filter but in a new tank,, There simply isn't beneficial bacteria in proportion to achieve this. So you have a less toxic form of ammonia ,,PLUS ,,the ammonia being produced by the fish through respiration,waste(poop),, and decaying organics such as food and or plant material. This is why I choose to use water conditioner such as PRIME which addresses all three toxins,, Chlorine,chloramines,and ammonia. If the product doesn't clearly state that it rmoves all three,, I won't use it.
It occured to me after posting above, that I may have incorrectly stated my posistion in regards to water conditioners that only address chlorine and chloramines. It is unclear to me that they render ammonia to a less harmful ammonium and they may ,,simply break the bond of chlorine/ammonia which =chloramines and do nothing to address ammonia where as product PRIME, renders the ammonia from chloramines into less harmful ammonium. In any event,, I would always want conditioner that addresses all three,Chlorine,chloramines, and ammonia especially,, in a new tank with insufficient biological bacteria or a heavily stocked tank. Prime is also helpful in addressing nitrites and can be used at double the dose if need be in the event of ammonia and or nitrite spikes.

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Thanks for the info.

PS. 1077-still waiting on that EBJD update
Electric Blue Jack Dempsey is doing well and appears to be growing faster than what some have reported their growth to be. I can only attribute the growth to three to four small water changes per week ,which works well for young Discus,, and a wide variety of foods. He is especially fond of nightcrawlers which I chop up and feed in pieces. He has learned to compete with the Adult Multipunctatus Synodontis for if he is slow,, the synodontis gets the Lions share of the food. I have also placed a White spot,or snowball Pleco ,,along with Candy Striped Pleco in the tank. And with plenty of rock and wood for them to rest,hide ,, They too are faring well.
I have not forgot that I promised to try and post some photos and may be able to borrow a digital camera from one of the ladies at work.Then i shall attempt to find someone skilled at posting the photos for I fear,, I am much like a dinosaur who has suddenly awoke to find itself in an enviornment entirely foreign to him. Am also stubbornly resistent to accepting help lest someone inadvertantly,,rub my feathers the wrong way while pointing out "It's so easy, a Cavenman could learn it." I am therefor being both secretive ,and selective in my search.

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