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post #11 of 17 Old 01-08-2010, 08:27 AM
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I cycle mine with fish food (flakes), feed it each night as if there was fish in, watch Ammonia & NO's rise & fall and done.

Don't you have more then 1 tank in your house (I think), just seed the new set up with muck from one of your established filters, just wash it out in the new tank.

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post #12 of 17 Old 01-08-2010, 08:36 AM
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you mentioned you wanted to go planted?? If you plant this tank with live plants there is no need to cycle, the plants with absorb all the bad stuff (ammonia).

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post #13 of 17 Old 01-08-2010, 09:20 AM Thread Starter
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Four reasons (although people could probably think of more):

1) When you cycle with fish, the beneficial bacteria colonies you build during the cycle are only able to handle the bioload of the fish you currently have in the tank (i.e. the feeder goldfish, in your case). So, when you go to add more fish to the tank, there's still a period of time where the bacteria are playing catch-up with the newly increased bioload, which could cause ammonia/nitrite spikes that could be dangerous.

2) If you don't want to keep those fish in the long term, you need to catch them and move them to another tank or return them. Sometimes this is a huge pain.

3) If you're cycling with fish, you have to do water changes during the cycle in order to keep those fish alive. This is time consuming and costs money.

4) Most importantly, subjecting fish to the rigors of living in a tank full of toxic water is something every fishkeeper should be discouraged from doing. Even if your fish survive the cycling process, there are health risks associated with long-term ammonia exposure. Long story short: fish-in cycles are unnecessarily cruel.

This is exactly what is happening to me with my daughter's tank. Fortunately, in the past I don't recall any horrible deaths from cycling except in a saltwater tank. Even though I tested and tested then, I may not have been as worried because of my successful memories of when I was a kid and had fish. They did not even teach us to cycle and the fish always seemed to make it. I remember back then when I was a kid,e we tore the whole tank down to clean it from time to time, which is a known no no now and when I had fish not long ago as an adult. I think the older we get the more precautious we become.

I am all for the fishless cycling. I can't even handle worrying about feeder goldfish and can't even feed anything goldfish. LOL I have a real soft heart for animals.

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you mentioned you wanted to go planted?? If you plant this tank with live plants there is no need to cycle, the plants with absorb all the bad stuff (ammonia).
Hi, my daughter's tank has plants but I am having a spike right now. Maybe that is why my ammonia level stayed much lower then I remember it staying when I last had fish and was cycling a tank. It fooled me. It stayed at around .25 and then dropped back to 0. I thought maybe it was an easy cycle because I only had three fish in there at first...small fish....and plants. So, I went in to get more fish but really only wanted to bring home one platty for now but got talked into three not thinking I could always go back later for the other two since they do better with others. I was not thinking! Now I have a spike but this high of a spike kind of surprised me. I have been doing some water changes since it first began to rise above .25 but does not seemed to be doing the job. I only did one water change since yesterday right after I noticed the high spike but it really did not go down. I tested it again last night. The fish are fine and not sure if that is due to the Ammo Lock. I have read that the Ammo Lock can give you a high false reading but not sure hight that can be. I do know that Ammo Lock does not get rid of Ammo but detoxifies it and it will still show up on the test. Maybe what they meant by a high false reading is that it is high but what is showing is the not the toxic kind....not sure. I normally do not like to use chemicals, but if it gets too high and water changes are not doing it, then I want to try to help the fish.

P.S. I don't have plants yet in the big tank. I need better lighting but I may just put the few that I got in there anyway. It is better than them sitting in the plastic containers. I can put one of them in my daughter's tank to add to it.

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post #15 of 17 Old 01-08-2010, 09:49 AM
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Four reasons (although people could probably think of more):

1) When you cycle with fish, the beneficial bacteria colonies you build during the cycle are only able to handle the bioload of the fish you currently have in the tank (i.e. the feeder goldfish, in your case). So, when you go to add more fish to the tank, there's still a period of time where the bacteria are playing catch-up with the newly increased bioload, which could cause ammonia/nitrite spikes that could be dangerous.

2) If you don't want to keep those fish in the long term, you need to catch them and move them to another tank or return them. Sometimes this is a huge pain.

3) If you're cycling with fish, you have to do water changes during the cycle in order to keep those fish alive. This is time consuming and costs money.

4) Most importantly, subjecting fish to the rigors of living in a tank full of toxic water is something every fishkeeper should be discouraged from doing. Even if your fish survive the cycling process, there are health risks associated with long-term ammonia exposure. Long story short: fish-in cycles are unnecessarily cruel.

Feeder fish are often kept in poor conditions, and crowded tanks, Not unreasonable to expect one or two out of hundreds to possibly be sick with pathogens unknown which they then pass on to the rest of the feeders and ultimately could be introduced to your tank or mine by using these fish. Just count the dead feeders next time you see a tank full. Is quickest way I know to possibly introduce disease to a new tank, or any tank for that matter.

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post #16 of 17 Old 01-08-2010, 10:42 AM
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Totally forgot about that one, and yet another good reason not to cycle with feeder fish (actually it's a pretty good reason not to buy feeder fish for any reason in the first place).

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post #17 of 17 Old 01-08-2010, 10:44 AM
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for me i just dump some $0.25 feeder gold fish in the tank, and wait for a week. although this is about fishless, but i think that if you would buy ammonia, why not just use some feeder gold fish? is cheaper too.
you really shouldnt do this. stores dont take care of feeder fish. most of them have diseases and they can settle in your tank, which could infect your future fish!

i would assume you wouldnt want to keep feeder fish long term, kind of cruel if you ask me to use a fish, make it uncomfortable for about 2 weeks, then get rid of it!

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