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Old 11-03-2009, 06:11 AM   #11
 
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I used the Emperor 400 for about 8 years, it was a good reliable filter. However, if your water quality is already good, you won't gain anything by adding filtration, except spend a few cents more for electricity to run the additional filter, and a few dollars more each month for whatever kind of pads it uses.

I personally like a very simple tank, with slow moving water, instead of one cluttered with lots of different devices and rapidly moving water.

If you are satisfied with the service your Whisper has provided, you MIGHT consider a second identical Whisper, so you are just buying one type of filter pad.

If you think you really need some different kind of filter, consider a Hydro Sponge sitting inside the tank, they add a HUGE amount of biological potential, and if power goes off, the bacteria is still in your tank, where they are much less likely to die off than in an enclosed filter. Also, the Hydro Sponge cannot "lose siphon" and fail to restart when power is restored, the air pump just restarts and the bubbles start flowing again.

At present, I'm using nothing but Hydro Sponges, and my fish seem less stressed than when I had the Emperors, water quality is just as good, even though the current is much reduced.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:44 AM   #12
 
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my water quality is not bad.....although my ammonia sits at 0.25ppm and never changes even after PWC which i do at least weekly i was llooking at my tank last night and thinking "jeeze...this display would look terrible with two HOB filters" so i was thinking about putting my whisper 20i away and just getting one whisper 40i instead of putting two filters in....i would like to get a sponge filter to put in there however, again, i dont want my display looking bad if there is a way of camoflaging it with rocks or plants then i would love to add it just for the simple fact that i live in Fl and when a big storm hits 9 times out of 10 we will loose power and im not always home to ensure everything starts back up properly....i will google the hydro filter and take a look at what exactly they are since i am clueless....
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:56 AM   #13
 
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now...im looking at the different types of HOB filters and should i REALLY care if it has a 3 or 4 stage filtration process??? i dont use the bio bag inserts i have the cut to fit filter material and then this black sponge-like thing that came with the filter that goes in the front (just before the water re-enters the tank) im not exactly sure what it is or what it is called but it is there and i was told to never rince it, not even in tank water....
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:18 AM   #14
 
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molliefan... relax..... as previously stated you should work in your comfort zone.. the benefit to having multiple stages is that you dont change them all at the same time.. this keeps your biological filtration in good shape... as for te black sponge in the front i have been told that is also for extra bio-filtration (as all the mechanical stuff was done before it hits the sponge).... and to comment on your display you can always find creative and beautiful ways to mask filters :)
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:47 AM   #15
 
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im really trying.....i know i probably sound like a spaz to all of you who read this but i promise you my head is not spinning around as i type these posts lol......i just want to nmake sure everything about my tank is.....i dont want to say perfect because that is damn near impossible....but as close as i can get to ensure that my fish are taken care of properly....so let me get this right.....I have a tetra whisper 20i, i am going to be upgrading to the tetra whisper 40i, or something very similar.....i have the cut to fit filter material that i use and infront of that i have the black thing.......this is all i need...i dont need carbon (unless im removing meds), ammonia, nirtite, nitrate removers not recommended.....i should be fine with what i currently have/am upgrading to....
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:56 AM   #16
 
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Molliefan, so you are not buying a second 20i I take it, and are going for a larger internal filter such as the 40i? Are you going to continue running the old 20i with the 40i? I want to get a more familiar sense of what your set up will be like.

You are correct in stating that you should not be concerned with using carbon regularly, or any other chemical that states to remove toxins, as water changes and plants do this more effectively. Pretty much the vital components to any fish tank are a siphon, water conditioner, heater, filter, salt, charcoal carbon for medication remova, and a test kitl. With these components you should be able to effectively maintain a healthy tank. There are so many fancy products out there that claim to do this and that and really all they do is make matters worse - it is always best to keep it really simple at first, to get a feel for how aquariums work.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:08 PM   #17
 
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yes JM, you are correct in that i am opting for the single 40i instead of 2 20i and no, i am not going to run them both.....i REALLY dont want too many filters "clouding my display" ...i was just going to get the 2nd 20i to run WITH the one i currently have but then i figured i would just get the 40i (an again i may get a different brand but with the same set up and filtration capability) and run it by itself and achieve the same filtration i was originally aiming for....i am correct in my thinking with that? I go have all the above mentioned supplies minus the heater...my tank so far has not moved in temp outside of 80-82 degrees...when it actually starts getting cold here in florida i do plan on installing a heater but for the moment it will be vertually useless
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:14 PM   #18
 
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JouteiMike... well said.....
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:29 PM   #19
 
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Yes that does make sense that a filter rated for 40 should ideally perform like 2 filters rated for 20 combined, however I do see some discrepancies, and I do not mean to sound negative and as if I am steering you in a different direction.

2 smaller filters do have a few advantages over one larger one. To name a few, as mentioned before you have a back-up if one fails. Another is you will have more water movement throughout your tank. And given certain circumstances, this could be beneficial, or not very beneficial at all. But from previous tank set ups of mine, I have found having one filter on each end of the tank to be much more beneficial with removing waste particles, and increase water movement throughout the tank, thus having no "dead spots". With one filter this could be easily achieved by adding a powerhead on the opposing end. I wouldn't worry about this to much in a smaller tank, but I just thought I would mention it. Another benefit to having 2 filters would be the idea of how you clean them. With 2 you can clean one at a time and alternate the time you clean each one. This way while one is being cleaned, the other will still be running; so you always have one working. I've noticed this helps the tanks biological filtration remain constant, while cleaning a filter does alter the amount. Again, just an idea that I want you to consider.

I'd be interested in hearing what you do end up getting as a filter.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:38 PM   #20
 
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i guess i didnt think about it that way, it does give me more to concider....i will definately keep you posted as to which filter and how i set it up! i greatly appreciate all your helpful advice and will do some more research and make an educated desision based upon what i have learned here as well as the research i do!! again thank you much!!
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