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Prime's effect on the fish-in cycle
Old 03-01-2012, 09:40 PM   #41
 
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Honestly between using Prime, Stability, and water changes every day or two, I am not too worried about anything. I think my Nitrites may soon be coming down.
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Old 03-01-2012, 09:46 PM   #42
 
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Patience is the key unless you have a heavily planted tank to help suck up the nitrites.

Prime is THE recommended conditioner that many people and have never had any problems with it.
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:07 PM   #43
 
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Patience is the key unless you have a heavily planted tank to help suck up the nitrites.

Prime is THE recommended conditioner that many people and have never had any problems with it.
I have a heavily planted tank and I don't think they are sucking up any nitrites lol..
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:49 AM   #44
 
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Honestly between using Prime, Stability, and water changes every day or two, I am not too worried about anything. I think my Nitrites may soon be coming down.
I'm sure they will, too! Sorry I kind of went nuts on your thread, I got excited because it was the only one I've been able to find with any information on Prime, and that's MY concern. Didn't mean to butt in with my beginner self!
Good luck with your tank!
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:56 AM   #45
 
I'm still having high nitrite spike with some low nitrates. 5ppm nitrite anad 5ppm nitrates. Have been using Prime and waiting patiently for the nitrite to come down .
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:34 AM   #46
 
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Been keeping an eye on this thread, as I also have the same questions about adding Prime to a cycling tank. Thanks for all the info here. . . I'm still feeling a bit skeptical about adding ANY extra chemicals to the tank, and am very worried about what happens after the 24 hour mark when the 'binding' on the nitrites and nitrates 'breaks' and the fish feel the true levels return very suddenly (as opposed to the slow building up of these toxins that allow their systems to somewhat adjust). I didn't realize that you have to dose at 5x the normal amount in order for it to have an effect on anything other than ammonia, chlorine, and chloramine. This actually makes me feel better about the stuff, as I've never come close to dosing that high! I know that I read that nitrates and nitrites would still test positive after prime, which really worried me - I don't like not being able to trust my testing kit to show me accurately what the fish are feeling.

I think I'll have to do an experiment on this, as my tank is cycling and I'm currently in the middle of a nitrAte spike. Tomorrow, if the numbers are still high, I'll separate 2 gallons of the dirty water when I do my water change, test it as a control, then do another test at 2.5 and again at 5x the two-drops-per-gallon amount called for in the directions. I'd really like to see this for myself! IF the numbers drop to zero, it will make me feel much more comfortable using this stuff, knowing that my API test IS still showing an accurate representation of whats in my tank. The problem with the muddy ammonia reading is a whole 'nother story, though.

The information they have on their FAQ didn't make me feel any better about using it - regarding the HOW aspect:
Basically *shrug* they have no idea how it works. . . how is this to inspire confidence!?? Still, as an emergency measure, I think the stuff is good to have on-hand!


Much to think on in this thread. . . thanks again! I'll be lurking around to see if there is any more information gathered here on the stuff!
Your proposed test will likely not help. Prime detoxifies ammonia and nitrite, but both still show with our aquarium test kits, so that won't tell you anything. After 36-48 hours, the ammonium and nitrite will be back to ammonia and toxic nitrite, so that won't show any different with tests. And being isolated in a pail, since both live in the water, there will not be sufficient bacteria on the pail surfaces to have any effect on either toxin.

With respect to overdosing, my view is that Prime is still a chemical and the less chemicals put in a fish tank the better. Now, this has a purpose, but as they themselves do not know how it works, how do they know it is completely safe when significantly overdosed for prolonged periods? It may or may not be. Water changes are still the safest way to reduce toxic ammonia and nitrite if it is present in high numbers. Live plants will handle it in normal situations.
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Old 03-02-2012, 10:45 AM   #47
 
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I have a heavily planted tank and I don't think they are sucking up any nitrites lol..
I checked the photos in your other thread on this topic, and one might argue "heavily planted." With that planted tank at day one, with a small group of small fish, and building up from there, I would not expect any ammonia or nitrite to appear on test kits. But once nitrite in particular is present at a high level, this is a very different situation.

I don't have the knowledge to come anywhere close to providing a full explanation, so all I can say is that several factors in an aquarium can cause nitrite to rise. The very complex bacterial cycle (and I'm not referring solely to the nitrification cycle we all mainly understand, but all of the bacteria cycle from start to finish) can take many "wrong turns."
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:52 PM   #48
 
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I checked the photos in your other thread on this topic, and one might argue "heavily planted." With that planted tank at day one, with a small group of small fish, and building up from there, I would not expect any ammonia or nitrite to appear on test kits. But once nitrite in particular is present at a high level, this is a very different situation.

I don't have the knowledge to come anywhere close to providing a full explanation, so all I can say is that several factors in an aquarium can cause nitrite to rise. The very complex bacterial cycle (and I'm not referring solely to the nitrification cycle we all mainly understand, but all of the bacteria cycle from start to finish) can take many "wrong turns."
Yeah I really don't know what to do besides riding it out, doing some water changes and using Prime/Stability..

I decided to cycle another tank, a 29 gallon, and I feel like that one will be easier. Did the raw shrimp thing for a while and now I threw in a bunch of gold fish.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:12 PM   #49
 
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Just checked my water and finally my nitrites are down to .5ppm, victory!
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:45 PM   #50
 
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Just checked my water and finally my nitrites are down to .5ppm, victory!
HOORAY FOR YOU! I knew you'd be there soon!
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