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post #1 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 01:51 AM Thread Starter
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Exclamation possible issue... need advice

so i may have a fish coming down with ick but not sure. shes showing signs of stress and is hanging out away from all the other fish and stays either under the filter outflow or at the top of the tank. She is on the receiving end of everyone else in the tank and the only ones with the most batterd fins. and tonight i noticed a little spot on the forehead which may turn into ick....

now for my question(s)

1. How effective is a salt dip
2. should i dip all of the fish
3. what is a good ick cure product
4. does medication kill off benifical bac
5. does ick medication kill plants

now i do have a completely empty tank that is like 15 gallons but i dont have any equip with it at all except a heater. now if i were to use this as a Q tank would a bare bottom tank w/o hoods and just a 100gph powerhead with a sponge attached be enough for a q tank?

water params for main tank are

ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 20
gh/kh off the scale


stock list is as follows

FISH
x2 Electric Blue Johanni
x2 Yellow Labidochromis
x1 Nimbochromis livingstonii
x1 Common Pleco
x1 Red Top Cobalt
x1 Botia Angelica
x1 Acei "Tanzanian" <- possible sick fish

PLANTS
Echinodorus bleheri (Amazon Sword)

and if this pertains to anything all the fish are smaller than 6 inches but not smaller than 3 and water changes are performed every week at about 25-30% and the only chemical used in the aquarium is a water conditioner on the water that is added to the aquarium the tank has been set up for roughly 3 months now and this is the first sighn of illness that i have had. i also want to add that this is the only fish that is showing sighns of anything as of right now.

thanks for the help everyone,
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post #2 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 02:09 AM
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If you are certain it is ICH and not a wound that may be becoming infected,, I would treat the whole tank for all fish,, have been exposed to the parasite.
Quarantine tank is starting to sound more appealing is it not? If it is a wound and or possible infection, then your spare tank could work if heated and seed material is used from your 55gal. will still need to perform water changes perhaps daily if toxins(ammonia ,nitrites appear)
For ICH treatment I nearly always use product ,Quick Cure which is formalin ,malachite green. due to the pleco and loach? I would ,were it me,,use it at half dose. Follow the directions. Has always been successful treatment for me. Will stain the silicone blue around edges of tank but does not do so permanently. Salt and heat would also work but not sure how pleco or other smooth skin fish would do.
If it appears to be infection from wound,I would look at Maracyn II and isolate the fish if possible. Remove carbon with medications if carbon is used ,and run some carbon through the filter after medication or treatment has ended to remove residual. I have used the Quick cure At half dose with plants such as crypt,java fern, and anubia with no major problems. I am uncertain bout affect on plants with salt method. If salt is to be used, I would possibly remove the plants to a bucket of aquarium water. Good Luck.

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post #3 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 08:26 AM
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I'd honestly take the sick one out into a quarantine tank and treat it, since you have the option to do so. Sponge filter in there will be sufficient enough and most QT are completely bare anyways.

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post #4 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 08:49 AM
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agreed empty qt is best (less to clean after) search ick on this forum and you will see a posting that tells you how to treat with heat alone.... as you know i have been fighting it for a little while...i broke down and tried this method and man it really works with little to no harmful effect on the fish!!!!!!!!! if it is an injury and you are treating for ick with a chemical i would think that puts your fish at rish of a secondary infection created be an unneeded medication... dont quote me on that it is just a guess.. but either way QT is a really good idea

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post #5 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 11:35 AM
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If it is indeed ICH, then ALL fish will have been exposed and quarantine would be poor idea. If treating for bacterial problem then yes ,,isolating the fish as mentioned would be best. If sponge filter does not have bacterial colony then daily water changes may be necessary in isolation tank.

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post #6 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 02:47 PM Thread Starter
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thankls for the great info everyone, today is the second day that im watching this fish and what i thought was isck is now gone. someone mentioned a infection on the fish maybe? what would a infection look like exactly? cause now there arent any little bubbles on her now its like not too sure how to describer it bvut it looks like patches of scales are missing ill try to get a pic but camera is acting up lately.
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thankls for the great info everyone, today is the second day that im watching this fish and what i thought was isck is now gone. someone mentioned a infection on the fish maybe? what would a infection look like exactly? cause now there arent any little bubbles on her now its like not too sure how to describer it bvut it looks like patches of scales are missing ill try to get a pic but camera is acting up lately.
if the white stuff drops off or goes away, gravel vac the bottom of the tank well -- if it's ich, those things will reproduce inside and explode back into the water -- which will widespread everything -- i'd just gravel vac just in case, and make sure you do a water change -- if you medicate you can try to use heat + salt or traditional medication, salt dips are okay, but the changes in the water stresses the fish too much -- i'd stick to QT and medication if possible - I hate fishing *hint hint*


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Fauna:
1x Honey Gourami
2x Otocinclus Affinis
6x Flame Tetra
6x Ember Tetra
2x Apple Snail (Hitched on Rotala)

Flora:
Dwarf Sagittaria
Ludwigia Repens X L. Arcuata
Staurogyne Repen
Cryptocoryne lutea
Cryptocoryne Wendti
Cryptocoryne spiralis
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Anubias minima
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post #8 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 07:42 PM
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This is off the main topic (I agree with what's been said by 1077 so nothing further on that), but I spotted the fish Botia angelica. Assuming this is Botia kubotai (frequently seen in stores as angelica or angelicus), photo attached, it is not a fish that will do well in water as hard as you seem to have; the fish is soft acidic water in nature, and also must be in a group of three minimum to be healthy and less stressed.

I have three of these, and I have never seen such a social or playful fish, not even having kept several species of loaches over the years. They are constantly, and I mean constantly, playing all day, rather like a game of touch tag I suppose; charging around like madmen (or should that be mad fish), and then about an hour before the lights go out (being on timers, they know this internally) they will just flop over on their sides as if dead. Worn right out I guess. They really do need company. And the water parameters would bother me with this beautiful fish. Here's an excellent site on loaches for info:
Botia kubotai &mdash; Loaches Online

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post #9 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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wow thats definately not what i have here are the best pix that i can come up with

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does this fish look sick or just beat up or do you need more pix???
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post #10 of 13 Old 11-19-2009, 08:04 PM
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This is not a Botia, it is a cichlid, not sure of the species, out of my field. And I won't comment on the disease, also not my area.

You have 1 "Botia angelica" listed as inhabiting this tank, and that is the fish I pictured with previous comments, unrelated to the disease issue.

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