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post #11 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 01:47 AM
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Hmm I didn't realize that you were planning on having the kuhlis and leaf fish together. I would think the leaf fish would see the kuhlis as fish-spaghetti.

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post #12 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 02:00 AM Thread Starter
Really? I just read tonight that ctenopoma acutirostre and kuhlis got together especially well ... so far I haven't read anyone contradict that the leaf fish won't go after anything it can't fit into it's mouth in one bite - an adult kuhli is pretty close in length to an adult ctenopoma, right? I agree, a full grown leaf fish and juvenile kuhlis might be risky. (besides, for the next few months at least, all of my loaches will be significantly bigger than my ctenopoma)

I don't know though, this is just from the research I've done in the last 24 hours - they're a bit of a mystery fish...
btw - thanks for the classification ctenopoma acutirostre - that opened up many doors of info...! :)

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post #13 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 02:14 AM
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An adult kuhli is 3-4", while a full-grown leaf fish is about 6", but kuhlis are skinny little guys.

I'm not saying they'll *definitely* eat the kuhlis, so you should certainly consider the advice of those who've kept the fish together with more weight than mine.

I actually tried a similar experiment recently. I have a group of 5 kuhlis living with a pair of golden wonder killifish, which are also very predatory. These fish eat guppies like nobody's business and tried to eat some of my kribensis fry that were about half as big as they were, until the little kribs turned around and explained that they weren't willing to get eaten. However, the killies have completely ignored the loaches even though they could easily eat them if they wanted to.

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post #14 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 02:21 AM Thread Starter
Well, generally I agree that a 6" predator could easily make an snack of a 3" Kuhli - but from what I've read about Ctenopoma, they eat by "vacuuming" a whole organism into their giant mouth, and a Kuhli would be too long to fit all at once, so wouldn't be targeted as a meal. Again, I could be wrong about that.

In any case, if as an adult my leaf fish becomes belligerent in the community, I'll move him (her?) to a more appropriate habitat. I hope I don't have to though.

This is off topic, but is it true that Killifish only live a year?

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post #15 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 05:36 AM
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yeah the life span is short.i think it's to do with the way the natural
drying of the streams they originate from.
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post #16 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 08:06 PM
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I would say that the Kuhli's are much too fast to be caught by nearly any other fish. Have you seen those guys move? It is highly unlikely they will be fish food, so I think you're safe to introduce the two species to each other.

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Only annual killifish live for a year or less. There are non-annual species from permanent bodies of water that live for several years. The golden wonder lives for 3-4 years on average.

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post #18 of 24 Old 10-04-2008, 11:21 PM Thread Starter
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I would say that the Kuhli's are much too fast to be caught by nearly any other fish. Have you seen those guys move? It is highly unlikely they will be fish food, so I think you're safe to introduce the two species to each other.
Yeah, totally, I just picked up three today and they moved like lightening trying to get away from the net.

I'm worried about them though because they are really tiny ones (the smallest I've seen) and I have medium sized gravel which they are actually managing to squeeze inbetween/under/into in certain places - I'm afraid they'll be buried alive...

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post #19 of 24 Old 10-05-2008, 01:20 AM
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Is your tank planted? Is there a need for gravel? If not, then change over to sand, as it will make the kuhli's happy. As you probably already know, loaches are bottom dwellers. As bottom dwellers, they need a substrate the wont get scratched on trying to dig, which unfortunately doesnt allow for gravel over 1.5 milimetres big. My suggestion to you would be to change to sand, unless your current financial status doesn't allow for it.

In my 55G tank, I intend to have it heavily planted, but bottom dwellers don't much allow for that now do they? So my plan is, to use eco complete and gravel on the back half of my tank, and where the open space is without plants, im going to use a dark sandy substrate, to give it that natural look of a dark waters like in the wild, as opposed to light colours like oceanic environments. That'st just an idea for you if you have plants and need the gravel to allow the to root properly.

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post #20 of 24 Old 10-05-2008, 01:49 AM Thread Starter
I do have plants ... but I also have a shallow glass bowl buried in the gravel on one side of the tank which I've been planning to fill with sand, specifically for the loaches - they didn't have sand at the store I was at today, but they did have loaches, so I went ahead with the purcahse ... I'l give them some sand soon...

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