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Poorly fish sitting on bottom - help!
Old 11-29-2009, 02:12 AM   #11
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I find your water parameters rather bizarre. What test kit was used? If I were you, I'd simply invest in API liquid drops. It will last you a year or two and a master test kit costs $25 but nevertheless, it is always much better to be one to test the water parameters than let others do that task for you to make sure the tests were not tampered with.

Unfortunately,your tank is very small to fit even a single goldfish. Fancy goldfish are no strangers to outgrowing small tanks. They can grow too much bulk and a lot of them can reach 8-10 inches max which is often the norm for adult goldfish who manage to reach their full potential with proper care provided to them. If you wish to keep at least two goldfish (minus the pond types such as shubunkins), then a 30g should be the minimum to consider. A general guideline set is 10-15g per fish although it does not mean anything smaller than a 30g is okay unless you can cope with the additional filtration and more frequent water changes.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:00 AM   #12
My poorly fish has been acting a lot better recently, although I'm still doubtful he's been able to eat as he doesn't seem to be able to find the food. Unfortunately though, the last couple of days he's taken a turn for the worse. He's curled up his body, almost like he can't unfold himself, and he's constantly underneath the bridge huddled in the corner. Earlier I moved the bridge just in case he was stuck, but he soon found his way back under there (by twisting his way back, he can't swim properly). When I moved it earlier and he was out in the open, i pushed some food down to him, and he tried to eat it but couldn't.

I have rung round a few places for advice - my vets (that I take my cats to) said I could take him in for them to euthanize him. A fish expert shop said they could sell me some "revitiliser tonic". And the pet store i got him from said that he sounded like he has a swim bladder problem, and maybe some blood worm or special food from them may help. They did say though that if this didn't work and i did want to put him out of his misery, i could put him in a pint glass of ice water and this would kill him instantly.....i'd rather not though!

Any advice would be appreciated - he looks so poorly and sad, I don't want him to suffer anymore. But obviously if there is anything I can do to make him better i will. Alternatively, any tips on how to put him out of his misery would be gratefully received too.

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Old 12-19-2009, 08:28 AM   #13
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Let me ask a few question to try offer some help here...
Did your LFS test this with a strip? 3 Goldfish in a 5g I'd def expect to see some NO's - Which could stress the fish to act like this.
How often and how much do you change water in the tank?
What do you feed them and how much?
Have you tried offering the sick fish some thawed out bloodworms (with tweezers strait in front of this mouth)?
Apart from being hanging out in the corner alone - Is there ANYYYY other visible signs on this fish (bumbs, scares, anything???)

On a side note a 5g (=17l) is very small, I'd pers not recommend to keep any goldfish in there, much less 3.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:24 PM   #14
My LFS tested it using some sort of chemicals added to each sample of water (i.e. to test for different things). It wasn't strips - although they did compare the colour the water changed to a water colour chart.

I change the water once every 1 or 2 weeks, and I change half the water each time.

I feed them once a day, a pinch of food, and it's "Aquarian advanced nutirition".

I haven't tried any bloodworm - i asked about that in my LFS just now and they didn't think it would help now as he is so sedentary on the bottom.

Having just been there, i have bought some salt and also some swimbladder treatment. I've just treated the water with both and will carry on as per the instructions.

The only query I have about the treatment, as it says to "remove carbon and zoelite (ammonia remover) filter media from the aquarium". Please can you just verify what this exactly is? I have a filter in the tank but i'm not sure whether it comes under this title or not? I have removed it for now just in case, but if you could explain in layman's terms that would be appreciated!

I know the tank is small - but just to confirm that these are fancy goldfish, and are much smaller than "normal" goldfish. I know this may not make a difference though. I appreciate your advice.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:09 PM   #15
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Generally I'd rather suggest a weekly w/c and then less (eg. 20-30%).
Just be advised, treating the tank with the other 2 healthy one's may influence them negatively, just so you're warned.
Do you have a HOB? They usually have pads in there that have "crunchy" stuff inside of them / filled with it and that's carbon. The reason you wanna take it out, is because carbon removed med's from the tank so that wouldn't help you any to add it and the filter removes it in 30mins or less.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:38 PM   #16
What's a HOB? The filter i use is quite a basic one and it uses "filter foam" which is like a sponge. I don't think this is what you were talking about - shall i put my filter back on??

How may the treatment affect the other fish? Would it make them ill?? The guy in the shop said they would be ok...
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Old 12-19-2009, 04:20 PM   #17
Hi again. He's died, poor thing...... thanks for your help though, much appreciated. Sarah.
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:09 PM   #18
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The filter gotta run, that's certain! HOB - Hang on back.
If its only a sponge in there w/out no pocket and "crunchy" stuff in it and maybe a biowheel to the filter too then you have no carbon in there now. (Thou you will need a carbon insert when you're done with the treatment to remove the meds from the tank again)

I'm sorry to hear this update...I really wanted to help, but sometimes we just can't.
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