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Old 08-17-2010, 12:46 PM   #21
 
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I'm going to Captain Nemo's today I'll check out their loaches for you and let you know how they look and how much they are.

I would add the loaches last. Loaches can be a bit sensitive to new setups and should only be added to established tanks. As long as this tank is planted, you can stock SLOWLY right away.

I just went back and read through some of your earlier posts. My opinion on painting the background black is that eventually the paint will start to chip away and will eventually need to be replainted. That does not sound like a fun task once that happens What I did for my 120g is I went to WalMart and for $12 bought a huge roll of the darkest black window tint and put the window tint on as the background. It was easyto apply and it clings to the tank extremely well. This not allow water to get behind it like what can happen with a poster if you're not careful. Just my opinion and thought I'd share my experience with you. I love the window tint and it has worked out perfectly for me.

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Old 08-17-2010, 01:10 PM   #22
 
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Cool Lisa let me know!!! My girlfriend and I are hopefully going to check out petland and the fish factory today and maybe the place in NJ. Hopefully find time to pick out plants today too.

Just looking at the profiles here im thinking, 5-6 zebra loaches (5 if i get a pleco, my girlfriend LOVES them so i donno if i can say no), a shoal of black ruby or cherry barbs, and some kind of rasbora. If that would work. I dont think the pics of rasbora do them any justice so i wanna check them out in person.

And another question about cycling. On the guide here it says not to plant before you cycle unless you know what your doing, and i dont when it comes to plants. I can get gravel from a friends tank, and he also uses tetra safe start. Says it works wonders. Should I do that first, then add plants, then add fish?

Im thinking of getting the whisper 60, and just keepeing the flow low since these fish like calmer waters, unless you think its too muchl and i should get the 40.

And i just read so many different things about cycling.
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Old 08-17-2010, 01:21 PM   #23
 
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Let me save you a trip. Petland does not have Black Ruby Barbs. They also do not have Rasbora or loaches. They MIGHT have Cherry Barbs. I've never personally checked for them so I can't tell you for sure. Like I said, they're variety is lacking. They mainly have livebearers. I get my Rummynose Tetras, Cardinals tetras, and Bolivian Rams there. I was at Fish Factory last week and they had Cherry Barbs and Black Ruby Barbs at the time. To me, the black Roby Barbs didn't look the best at the time though. They may have gotten a new shipment since then though. The only loach they had was a few Kuhli Loaches. Nemo's obviously carried the Zebra Loaches, but I do not know if they had the others as I was only there once about a month ago. However, if you do have the free time, check them all out. Something might catch your eye that you like then you can always come back here to ask questions about it Have fun!

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Old 08-17-2010, 02:18 PM   #24
 
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Cool Lisa let me know!!! My girlfriend and I are hopefully going to check out petland and the fish factory today and maybe the place in NJ. Hopefully find time to pick out plants today too.

Just looking at the profiles here im thinking, 5-6 zebra loaches (5 if i get a pleco, my girlfriend LOVES them so i donno if i can say no), a shoal of black ruby or cherry barbs, and some kind of rasbora. If that would work. I dont think the pics of rasbora do them any justice so i wanna check them out in person.

And another question about cycling. On the guide here it says not to plant before you cycle unless you know what your doing, and i dont when it comes to plants. I can get gravel from a friends tank, and he also uses tetra safe start. Says it works wonders. Should I do that first, then add plants, then add fish?

Im thinking of getting the whisper 60, and just keepeing the flow low since these fish like calmer waters, unless you think its too muchl and i should get the 40.

And i just read so many different things about cycling.
The pleco will be fine, but just make sure you get a small one. The "common" pleco attains 18 inches and is out of the question. Not only will it be stressed and sick, it will devastate a small tank. They have a significant impact on bioload, significant. There are some cute small species, 3-4 inches. Very expensive usually. But worth the wait and hunting around.

Have you checked the photos in our profiles? They will be reasonably close to the actual fish, I spend hours finding the best photos I can. Also, in store tanks most fish will appear washed out, rather drab and colourless. It is best to know what each will actually look like before you go to storees. Fish are usually under stress in stor tanks, and stressed fish lose their colour in varying degrees.

Where is this guide here that says not to plant before cycling? That is rubbish. Planting a new aquarium the first day allows you to put a few fish in the first day and there will be no cycling issues. Just have lots of plants (not one or two), and very few fish. I've explained how this works dozens of time, but will again if you ask.

"Seeding" a tank with bacteria--which is what using your friends gravel and SafeStart is--is OK but in planted tanks not necessary. And a caution on the gravel, it will contain anything in your friend's tank, good and also bad bacteria, pathogens, who knows what. I personally would never use wet material from someone else's or a store's tank solely for this reason.

SafeStart is a biological supplement to quick-start the nitrification bacteria. In non-planted tanks I use it (actually use Seachem's Stability, much the same stuff, 100% bacteria). With plants it is not necessary, but if you want to spend the money, it can't hurt.

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Old 08-17-2010, 02:39 PM   #25
 
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If I came off sounding rude about the profiles I really didn’t mean too! I can see that you are a very big contributor to this site, and the profiles are amazing. I guess what I meant is that It may be hard to tell if you like a fish without actually seeing it in person. Although I do here ya on them not showing their full beauty while they are stressed in the stores. I didn’t mean to sound rude, I greatly appreciate all the help you (and everyone else) have given me.

And I thought it said in the cycling guide not to plant unless you are experienced with plants already. Not that it’s a bad method or shouldn’t be done. Maybe I read it somewhere else. I have been reading a lot and just trying to get facts from more experienced rather than just believing everything I see on the internet.

And thanks for more good news on the pleco, Ill make sure I pick out the best one, plus I don’t need him right away. And good to know about the cycling, I guess water, substrate and wood can go in Sunday and hopefully I can get plants that Monday.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:05 PM   #26
 
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Agree. Rubbish. You can fill yuor tank and plant the same day. When starting from scratch, I would fill your tank 1/2-3/4 the way up with water, plant it how you like it, then fill the rest of the way. This also prevents you from getting completely soaked, wihch I guess is inevitable anyway. Depending on how heavily it is planted (which looks moderately planted from the look of your selection) you can add a few fish and monitor your water parameters closely. If after 3-5 days you see now spike in ammonia, NO2, and NO3, add a few more fish.

Also, since you're ordering from Sweet Aquatics, take some time to check out their driftwood as well. They usually have some nice selections and they are way cheaper than any LFS(local fish store) around. I got 5 nice pieces for about $20-$25 total. Sweet Aquatics even sawed a piece flat for me on one end so it would stand up, as this was the look I was going for.

A Bristlenose Pleco would be a nice addition to a 30g. I have an Albino BN pleco and with my black gravel and black background and he is quite a nice contrast. I love Plecos too and agree with your girlfriend. A tank is not a tank without these cute suckers (as my husband calls him)
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:45 PM   #27
 
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If I came off sounding rude about the profiles I really didnít mean too! I can see that you are a very big contributor to this site, and the profiles are amazing. I guess what I meant is that It may be hard to tell if you like a fish without actually seeing it in person. Although I do here ya on them not showing their full beauty while they are stressed in the stores. I didnít mean to sound rude, I greatly appreciate all the help you (and everyone else) have given me.


That's OK, no offense taken. I actively promote our profiles every chance I get because we are working to expand and improve them and I have obviously spent hours doing what I can toward this goal, and I like to see people using them.

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And I thought it said in the cycling guide not to plant unless you are experienced with plants already. Not that itís a bad method or shouldnít be done. Maybe I read it somewhere else. I have been reading a lot and just trying to get facts from more experienced rather than just believing everything I see on the internet.
Wise precaution, just because it appears on the internet does not make it reliable. On the plants, some try and fail...but that's because they don't understand the basics that will ensure success just as there are basics with fish to ensure success. We are all here to help everyone.


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And thanks for more good news on the pleco, Ill make sure I pick out the best one, plus I donít need him right away. And good to know about the cycling, I guess water, substrate and wood can go in Sunday and hopefully I can get plants that Monday.


I can't stress this enough...make sure you thoroughly research any "pleco" you see before you buy it. Sad to say, some store staff know very little about these fish, and you need to know the species (scientific name) and track it down. "Pleco" covers hundreds of fish, some of which are not even related to the true plecostomus.

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Old 08-17-2010, 04:13 PM   #28
 
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Listen to Byron and Lisa about planting the tank then adding the fish. I have to admitt I was doubtful the first time I tryed it but it really does work. I have set up several tanks by filling them with lots of plants and the same day adding several fish and I have not lost a single fish yet, the fish have always been perfectly happy and none stressed! Real plants are wonderful and make the tanks look amazeing. I will never go back to plastic plants.
Good luck with you fish which ever ones you decide on.

Edited to add: Since you are going to do plants you should do an internal filter (like a sponge filter)or a canister filter it will be better for the plants because the HOB filters like the one you are looking at will break the water surface causeing the CO2 to be lost which is bad for the plants.

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Old 08-17-2010, 04:54 PM   #29
 
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Good point from Amanda on the filter. I shied away from that previously, but I would just suggest you consider what fish are intended, and provide suitable filter flow. There are fish that need a slight current, there are those that don't. And in both cases a fish may do poorly if it is without the current it needs or is constantly battling one it doesn't need.
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Old 08-17-2010, 05:20 PM   #30
 
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Dont think i can afford a nice canister filter atm, but how bout this only because I have a petco gift card

http://www.petco.com/product/2399/Ma...FishFC_Filters

I under stand how sponges work, but what do i actually need to provide adaqute filtration for my tank. I dont really like the look of air bubbles or anything.
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