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Old 08-16-2010, 03:55 PM   #11
 
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Thanks Guys

Great guys, thanks for all the info! Allthough cichlids may be nice, im thinking that i should wait for a larger tank down the road. The Zebras look amazing! So maybe Ill see if they are avaible. 5 of them will be good in a 30? With someting nice swimming above them I think it would look great! Are plecos gonna be ok on the bottom with them, it just kinda seems alot when the zebras get full size?

This is the plant package I was looking at, its supposed to plant a 30g. http://www.sweetaquatics.com/index.p...roducts_id=264

1 Sword (Med or Potted)

2 Potted Foreground (can be substituted for microsword portions)
1 Med Bare Root Anubias
2 Bunch Plants
5 Vallisneria
1 Aponogeton Bulb with sprouts
2 Med Bare Root Cryptocorynes

1 Potted Cryptocoryne (priced at $3.50 or lower)

2 Miscellaneous plant (choose from dwarf lily, java fern, java fern windelov, java fern narrowleaf, moss ball, spatterdock, banana plant, dwarf onion plant)
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:00 PM   #12
 
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Byron can guide you better if the Zebras will be okay with Plecos in a 30g (how many plecos?), but I just wanted to let you know that I got my Zebras at Captain Nemo's and all are doing very well. I bought all they had about a month ago (8 ), so if you decide to go there, give them a quick call before making the drive
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Old 08-16-2010, 04:05 PM   #13
 
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On the Zebra loaches, yes, five in a 30g is good and the limit. Provide lots of wood hiding spots as mentioned in the profile. If the pleco is one of the smaller species (max at 3-4 inches), OK with one. But some of them get 12-18 inches. You might want to hold off on a pleco.

The plant package looks good. On the last item, the choices, if it were me I would choose the Java Fern windelov and either the Spatterdock (which is Nuphar japonica) or the dwarf lily (Nuphar species, not sure which it might be). The JF windelov is a stunning relatively new variety of Java Fern [named "windelov" in honour of the founder of Tropica nurseries, Holger Windelov] with lacy leaves. These attach to wood or rock, same as Anubias.

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Old 08-16-2010, 04:18 PM   #14
 
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Sounds great! should i be concerned of anytype of rock changing the water parameters? Looks like tiger barbs would go good with the loaches. but 8 or so would be alot with 5 loaches right? Oh and if there is one thing i learned from online research is to be aware of the plecos you get, since most are labled wrong and tend to grow alot bigger then their owners expect.
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Old 08-16-2010, 05:10 PM   #15
 
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Sounds great! should i be concerned of anytype of rock changing the water parameters? Looks like tiger barbs would go good with the loaches. but 8 or so would be alot with 5 loaches right? Oh and if there is one thing i learned from online research is to be aware of the plecos you get, since most are labled wrong and tend to grow alot bigger then their owners expect.
A caution on the Tiger Barb. This is not a community fish except in a large (4+ feet) tank. They do well with loaches though. So in your 30g, a group of 10 Tigers and 5 loaches could be quite a display--all striped fish. But nothing else. Just so you know; if this is the display you'd like, go for it, it will be spectacular. Tigers are very attractive barbs, just nippy (10+ will lessen that within the group) and they do not always tolerate other fish. But on their own in a 30g (with loaches), fine. Lots of plants, and wood or rock caves for the loaches. The substrate could be gravel, suited to the loach's natural habitat.

On the rock, if it is calcareous it will raise the hardness and pH. Calcareous rocks are limestone, dolomite, marble, lava; and coral. Inert rocks are fine. A test for calcium is to put a couple drops of acid on the rock and if it fizzes or foams, it is calcareous. Some suggest vinegar for the acid, but it really isn't strong enough. The Regent #1 [or is it #2?] in the Nitrate test kit is an acid and better to use. Granite, shale, quartz rock is fine, or should be.

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Old 08-16-2010, 06:04 PM   #16
 
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Agree with Byron on the Java Fern Windelov.I've got it in my 37g and i really like it.The Dwarf Lily is listed under Nymphaea Stellata.I just ordered one for my 50g.it looks like an interesting plant as well and should be a nice contrast to the others.
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Old 08-16-2010, 06:45 PM   #17
 
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Ok so im between the loach/barb tank. That just sounds amazing to me, and if i can only do those 2 then so be it. But maybe i wanna get a bunch of companions for the loaches. Any suggestions of what to read up on and check out?
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:03 PM   #18
 
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Ok so im between the loach/barb tank. That just sounds amazing to me, and if i can only do those 2 then so be it. But maybe i wanna get a bunch of companions for the loaches. Any suggestions of what to read up on and check out?

I would say just start reading through some of the profiles. I think in a 30 gallon tank, maybe just the loaches on the bottom. The barbs will be active enough above to make the tank seem quite full. They are character's seriously. Mine are currently sun bathing in a chorus line. I know, weird right? They really are so much fun to watch and keep a person and a few Rottweiler's entertained for hours watching them. I just don't get sick of them.
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:33 PM   #19
 
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Agree, a group of 5-6 loaches (of the same species) will be it for the bottom, they need their space, and hiding spots remember. The Tigers up top. Or if you want more variety, forget the Tigers and select a couple different species of rasbora; you can have 6 of each species (these are all shoaling fish, must bein a group) and 3-4 species in a 30g. But not with the Tigers. They limit you. They are on their own (aside from loaches).
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:22 PM   #20
 
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Thanks SO much everyone! I think Im gonna take Lisas advice and get zebras from Nemos if they have/can get them. And Ill just have to check out other fish instead of the barbs. Oneeeee laaaaast question, (for now at least). Since the loaches prone to ICH should i get them first and make sure they are ok before adding others or get them later and quarantine them. I know Lisa said Nemos is pretty clean but I dont wanna take chances.

Once again thanks so much for all the help. Cant wait to get started in less than 2 weeks, Ill post pics and keep updates s you all can see how much you guys helped me. I know they may not be as pretty as other tanks here but at least the fish will be happy!
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