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Old 11-13-2008, 03:56 PM   #11
 
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I really wouldn't risk the lobster. It will eat the fish when they're young, and if you introduce it later/somehow the piranhas survive they will definitely eat the lobster. I'm not sure about the clams but since they aren't really needed in the tank I wouldn't risk them, either. The MTS are prolific and cheap, which is part of why I suggested them. You should be able to remove some of the sand to start another tank with.
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Old 11-13-2008, 04:28 PM   #12
 
Good advice then, Ill risk one clam just because you have not idea how much they help water clarity until you get them, and they like to dig deep, more stirring, and the lobster disappoints me but better hold off then be out the money.

Another note, the only store around me that has mts charges $2 each for them anyone mind shipping me a handful? i can paypal you shipping if you want. The only thing is that theyll need some insulation as its getting quite cold here in MN.
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:51 PM   #13
 
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Piranhas are banned in California. Yup. Legal in Minnesota.
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MINNESOTA:

Prohibited Invasive Species in Minnesota:

Fish
bighead carp (Hypophthalmichthys nobilis)
black carp (Mylopharyngodon piceus)
grass carp (Ctenopharyngodon idella)
round goby (Neogobius melanostomus)
rudd (Scardinius erythrophthalmus)
ruffe (Gymnocephalus cernuus)
sea lamprey (Petromyzon marinus)
silver carp (Hypophthalmichthys molitrix)
white perch (Morone americana)
zander (Stizostedion lucioperca)
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:36 PM   #14
 
UPDATE: Since I seem to be one of the only people on the forum keeping piranha I figure Ill keep everyone updated.

I just ran triple tests to be sure, the tank is ready! Bought my 3 piranha today. All just larger than a quarter, looking underfed, nipped at, and quite skinny.

Their "mates" are a fresh guppy fry, two that are 2 weeks old, and one that is a month and a half old (1"). They have completely left everyone alone, and the piranha ate flake food while I fed the guppies. After 3hours one of the 2 week old guppies had a large chunk missing from his tail and nothing out of the ordinary. The large guppy actually hangs out with the piranha, and since theyre about the same size (guppy a bit bigger) they seem to get along.

One of the piranha has about twice as much fin damage as the other 2 but since they have a MUCH larger tank, with some other fish to pick on I think he may make a full recovery however if one were to die it would definitely be him.

Pictures to come as soon as I find my camera.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:25 AM   #15
 
I just had a 60G tank with four Red belly piranhas that sadly died when I left them in the care of a friend when I was travelling for a few months..

If your going to have plants only go for robust plants like java fern and amazon sword as the fish will rip the delicate ones to shreds..

I had some plastic plants in my tank and they chewed them to pieces I was forever taking bits of plastic out of the tank so I advice you not to use them..

You need at least 10 gallons per fish and do not get 2 as one will kill the other, 3 is also a bad number as usually the weakest will be bullied and killed. 1 or 4 is the best number (or more than 4)

you shouldnt feed piranha feeder fish such as goldfish unless you quarantine them for a few weeks because often cheap feeder fish carry disease which could kill your fish and its also very cruel..

Your best feeding them a mix of raw white fish, prawns and on a rare occasion carfeully chopped beef heart.. Do not solely feed them on this as its very bad for them.

With regards to tank mates you would really want the tank to be heavily planted for the smaller ones to hide as if they dont have lots of places to hide they WILL be eaten..

I had a heavily planted tank and I bought 20 neons to put in as I thought they would be left alone.. Within one hour every one of them was eaten!

Finally if you are buying piranhas thinking they will be cool to show your friends because they are vicious blood thirsty killers, dont bother getting them. they are very peaceful and interesting fish when looked after correctly but dont expect them to be exciting like in the movies because Piranhas are NOT like that in real life!

A lot of people came to see mine and commented on how boring they were just sitting there doing nothing.. They are very individual creatures and have very individual personalities which you as the owner will learn over time but others wont understand.. So again I stress that if your buying just for the name 'Piranha' you will be very dissapointed..

anyways best of luck and let me know if you need any help!
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:28 AM   #16
 
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UPDATE: Since I seem to be one of the only people on the forum keeping piranha I figure Ill keep everyone updated.

I just ran triple tests to be sure, the tank is ready! Bought my 3 piranha today. All just larger than a quarter, looking underfed, nipped at, and quite skinny.

Their "mates" are a fresh guppy fry, two that are 2 weeks old, and one that is a month and a half old (1"). They have completely left everyone alone, and the piranha ate flake food while I fed the guppies. After 3hours one of the 2 week old guppies had a large chunk missing from his tail and nothing out of the ordinary. The large guppy actually hangs out with the piranha, and since theyre about the same size (guppy a bit bigger) they seem to get along.

One of the piranha has about twice as much fin damage as the other 2 but since they have a MUCH larger tank, with some other fish to pick on I think he may make a full recovery however if one were to die it would definitely be him.

Pictures to come as soon as I find my camera.
While the piranha are small they will leave the others alone but as they grow they will establish their dominance over the tank and most likely harass and kill the other fish.. 3 is not a good number to have as I say the chances are one will be killed sooner or later...
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:58 PM   #17
 
Thank you very much for your input! I will consider getting a fourth then, and the plants I'm using are water lettuce and some broad leafed plant, both of which are growing like crazy int my community (every 2 weeks the water lettuce doubles in mass) so the lettuce was actually intended to be a dietary supplement to these omnivores, along with some chopped raw potatoes.

Long term I plan to use some ground beef with dietary supplements, guppies that don't meet the cut out of the stock I'm breeding, aggressive fish formula food, and on occasion feeder goldfish that I will now quarantine for 2 weeks prior.

And though I bought them for their name it was not without due research. In fact thats why I have 3 in a 40 gallon tank instead of a school of 10, because everything I read told me that the first fish needs a 55 and each addition needs 20 gallons a piece. For social reasons I will probably get a fourth as advised, and though its a 40 gallon, I have a canister filter for a 66 gallon cleaning it so the bioload will be fine with pleanty, I just dont want to cramp them.
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Old 11-26-2008, 04:55 PM   #18
 
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Thank you very much for your input! I will consider getting a fourth then, and the plants I'm using are water lettuce and some broad leafed plant, both of which are growing like crazy int my community (every 2 weeks the water lettuce doubles in mass) so the lettuce was actually intended to be a dietary supplement to these omnivores, along with some chopped raw potatoes.

Long term I plan to use some ground beef with dietary supplements, guppies that don't meet the cut out of the stock I'm breeding, aggressive fish formula food, and on occasion feeder goldfish that I will now quarantine for 2 weeks prior.

And though I bought them for their name it was not without due research. In fact thats why I have 3 in a 40 gallon tank instead of a school of 10, because everything I read told me that the first fish needs a 55 and each addition needs 20 gallons a piece. For social reasons I will probably get a fourth as advised, and though its a 40 gallon, I have a canister filter for a 66 gallon cleaning it so the bioload will be fine with pleanty, I just dont want to cramp them.
40 gallons is the very least you'd want just test your water regularly and do the necessary water changes and you should be fine..

I would definitly recommend getting a forth and if you can try and get as close to the size as you have as possible..

They are great fish to have and you will see what I mean when I say they have really individual personalities..

With my four I had (1) the old fart who was the biggest and he was the boss.. (2) The up and coming youngster who would eventually take the throne and tried to on a few occasions (3) The dummy who was my favorite because he was the funniest..he never knew when to leave the others alone and was always getting in trouble (4) The shy one who just left the others alone...

Best of luck with them and if you need any help just PM me..I have a useful link for you that I will PM to you..
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Old 11-29-2008, 03:31 AM   #19
 
So I got my fourth piranha, it was about 1/3 bigger than the other three as their new stock had come in. Added with no computability issues and they're all doing great!

What amazes me is the speed at which their nipped fins are healing the worst one as mentioned earlier is almost back to 100% and its been only one week! Im afraid at how quickly this means they'll grow I knew that as warm water predators their metabolism would be fast but this is nuts!

The guppies are still fine, the fry is untouched, and the larger ones are all sporting a nipped tail but are now too cautious to be caught accidentally by piranha, and my feeding them frozen food at night doesn't make them hungry enough to go for an all out hunt, this next week I'll start feeding them less and have them supplement their own diets on the guppies.
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Old 11-29-2008, 06:52 AM   #20
 
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So I got my fourth piranha, it was about 1/3 bigger than the other three as their new stock had come in. Added with no computability issues and they're all doing great!

What amazes me is the speed at which their nipped fins are healing the worst one as mentioned earlier is almost back to 100% and its been only one week! Im afraid at how quickly this means they'll grow I knew that as warm water predators their metabolism would be fast but this is nuts!

The guppies are still fine, the fry is untouched, and the larger ones are all sporting a nipped tail but are now too cautious to be caught accidentally by piranha, and my feeding them frozen food at night doesn't make them hungry enough to go for an all out hunt, this next week I'll start feeding them less and have them supplement their own diets on the guppies.
Good job on grabbing the 4th..As he is bigger you will probably find over the next few weeks when he settles in that he trys to dominate the tank..IME the larger fish tend to throw their weight around..

Try to keep the tank temperature around 24 - 25 celcius because warmer than this can cause piranhas to become quite aggressive.. You will notice this over time that their temperment is very sensitive to warmer water..

Yes the fins heal very quick they are basically like Piranha finger nails. If you must feed live feeder fish make sure to check for left overs regularly as this method is very messy and will affect water quality. All experienced Piranha keepers highly recommend against feeding live fish! The link I sent you about the DIY food is the BEST thing that you can feed the fish so I would urge you to try this method..
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