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ph and alkalinity probs
Old 05-01-2012, 04:58 PM   #31
 
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Number one, use Prime. It's a dechlorinator that also converts ammonia (toxic) to ammonium (relatively safe).

Secondly, I'd urge you to consider getting some live plants. Duckweed or Water lettuce would be ideal as a floater- you'll have to thin it out regularly, but it will help get your parameters under control.
'Lucky Bamboo' is also great- Just make sure the leaves are dry. Only the roots have to be submerged. (The stem can be, but all the leaves have to be out of the water.)

There's one more technique I use when a tank is cycling.. Many members here have never heard of it, and a few might argue, but it significantly speeds up the cycling in my experience-
Add 1/2 tsp of sugar per 5 gallons to your aquarium with every water change. (I dissolve it in a cup of water and slowly pour it into the filter.) You can begin to wean your tank off of the sugar regime when ammonia and nitrite in your TANK hit 0.

Sugar? Thats very interesting. What exactly does the sugar do?
Im having a hard time cycling too.
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:35 PM   #32
 
Some places have really hard water intake for the municipal system. An old technique to lower this hardness is lime softening : Lime softening - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In essence, it lowers the hardness by raising the alkalinity. Seeing the test data from marshallsea, it seems to explain his unnatural balance between hardness and alkalinity.

I think Byron gave some advice about this type of water a while back, cause I wouldn't really know what to do if it came out of my tap !
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:37 PM   #33
 
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One clarification needed, is the GH number 25 in degrees or parts per million? Earlier in this thread Alkalinity [= KH] was stated to be 300ppm, which equates to 16 dKH.

And on another issue, I came across yet another thread on these same issues and have merged it into this one, since different members were responding in that one. The basic issue is the same so this will consolidate everything into one thread.

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Old 05-01-2012, 08:23 PM   #34
 
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One clarification needed, is the GH number 25 in degrees or parts per million? Earlier in this thread Alkalinity [= KH] was stated to be 300ppm, which equates to 16 dKH.

And on another issue, I came across yet another thread on these same issues and have merged it into this one, since different members were responding in that one. The basic issue is the same so this will consolidate everything into one thread.
that was gh 25 ppm. between being overwhelmed by different responses, and the panda platy dying, i had to back up and think things through. now as i see it, it looks like most of my prob is my tap water. my plan is to do 25% water changes with bottled spring water,and add a bacteria starter since there may be no progress due to water. your thoughts and ideas are appreciated.
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:48 PM   #35
 
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that was gh 25 ppm. between being overwhelmed by different responses, and the panda platy dying, i had to back up and think things through. now as i see it, it looks like most of my prob is my tap water. my plan is to do 25% water changes with bottled spring water,and add a bacteria starter since there may be no progress due to water. your thoughts and ideas are appreciated.
I know it's probably buried in this thread somewhere, but to clarify could you please specify the following for us. Then we can all be working from the correct data.

Tap water:
Ammonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
GH
KH
pH

Aquarium water:
Ammonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
pH
[GH and KH will be the same as tap, so no need for tests]

I think this will help us a lot so we can help you.

Byron.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:00 PM   #36
 
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I know it's probably buried in this thread somewhere, but to clarify could you please specify the following for us. Then we can all be working from the correct data.

Tap water:
Ammonia .3
Nitrite.3
Nitrate 0
GH 25ppm
KH high off charts
pH 8.2

Aquarium water:
Ammonia .4
Nitrite .3ppm
Nitrate 10ppm
pH 8.2
[GH and KH will be the same as tap, so no need for tests]

I think this will help us a lot so we can help you.

Byron.
hope this helps
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:05 PM   #37
 
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Is the ammonia and nitrite .3, = 0.3 ppm? That's workable.
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:07 PM   #38
 
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Is the ammonia and nitrite .3, = 0.3 ppm? That's workable.
sorry bout that its .3ppm
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:09 PM   #39
 
The way I see it, you have tree solutions to cure the main problem : ammonia and nitrite in the tap water. The first is easy and inexpensive, the second is easy and expensive, and the third is a pain and expensive.

1. Buy live plants, a lot. Especially fast-growing stem plants and floating plants. Use prime as a conditionner for water changes, by the time it becomes innefective (36-48h) the ammonia and nitrite will have been taken up by the plants.

2. Use Zeo-lite, or other chemical absorbing resin. You put it in your filter, it removes ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and phosphate (for most of them). Once in a while you put it in a brime solution or you throw it away and replace.

3. Use RO/DI water, you can buy those 18L bottles and go to your local supermarket, most have a self-serve machine.

Your second problem is the hardness, your fish won't trive in soft water. You can add hardness with seachem equilibrium or many other means, or you can take your fish back to the store and choose something suitable for your tap water, and a lot prefer soft water. I wouldn't touch the pH, but that's just me.

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Old 05-01-2012, 09:13 PM   #40
 
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The way I see it, you have tree solutions to cure the main problem : ammonia and nitrite in the tap water. The first is easy and inexpensive, the second is easy and expensive, and the third is a ******* and expensive.

1. Buy live plants, a lot. Especially fast-growing stem plants and floating plants. Use prime as a conditionner for water changes, by the time it becomes innefective (36-48h) the ammonia and nitrite will have been taken up by the plants.

2. Use Zeo-lite, or other chemical absorbing resin. You put it in your filter, it removes ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and phosphate (for most of them). Once in a while you put it in a brime solution or you throw it away and replace.

3. Use RO/DI water, you can buy those 18L bottles and go to your local supermarket, most have a self-serve machine.

Your second problem is the hardness, your fish won't trive in soft water. You can add hardness with seachem equilibrium or many other means, or you can take your fish back to the store and choose something suitable for your tap water, and a lot prefer soft water. I wouldn't touch the pH, but that's just me.
by di do you mean distilled water? and will option 1 or 3 solve the hardness?

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