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Old 05-01-2012, 02:33 PM   #21
 
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Does your house have a water softener?
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:34 PM   #22
 
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no it does not
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:19 PM   #23
 
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my water condition is off the charts

i have a 20 gal with 3 adult platys and a 10gal with a dying platy. ive tried for two weeks to get water right but now im sure the water out of my tap is the prob. tank water parameters are nitrate-1.0 nitrite-1.0 total hardness-0 chlorine-0 alkalinity-over 300 off charts ph 8.4 ammonia-.25 gh-25 kh-over 250 off charts. tap water parameters are nitrate-10 nitrite.5 total hardness 0 total chlorine .5 alkalinity-over300 off the charts ph 8.5 ammonia-.5. i dont know what to do. ive tried chemical and medicine to no avail. help my fish please. tap water gh 25 kh high off charts
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:23 PM   #24
 
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i have a 20 gal with 3 adult platys and a 10gal with a dying platy. ive tried for two weeks to get water right but now im sure the water out of my tap is the prob. tank water parameters are nitrate-1.0 nitrite-1.0 total hardness-0 chlorine-0 alkalinity-over 300 off charts ph 8.4 ammonia-.25 gh-25 kh-over 250 off charts. tap water parameters are nitrate-10 nitrite.5 total hardness 0 total chlorine .5 alkalinity-over300 off the charts ph 8.5 ammonia-.5. i dont know what to do. ive tried chemical and medicine to no avail. help my fish please
You have Nitrite AND ammonia in your water. That is not good. I have over 45ppm of Nitrate in my tap water and I'm worried...thank god no Nitrite or Ammonia. I would contact that water company. If they don't do anything. Contact your mayor. That is dangerous.

Also what test kit are you using?

How is your Total Hardness 0 if you r gh and kh are off the charts? That doesn't make any sense.

What water conditioner do you use?

Do you have any live plants?

How often and how big are your water changes? When was the last one?
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:31 PM   #25
 
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You have Nitrite AND ammonia in your water. That is not good. I have over 45ppm of Nitrate in my tap water and I'm worried...thank god no Nitrite or Ammonia. I would contact that water company. If they don't do anything. Contact your mayor. That is dangerous.

Also what test kit are you using?

How is your Total Hardness 0 if you r gh and kh are off the charts? That doesn't make any sense.

What water conditioner do you use?

Do you have any live plants?

How often and how big are your water changes? When was the last one?
api test.topfin conditioner.no plants.20%daily latley. i have tested and retested water. i just dont know.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:36 PM   #26
 
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Number one, use Prime. It's a dechlorinator that also converts ammonia (toxic) to ammonium (relatively safe).

Secondly, I'd urge you to consider getting some live plants. Duckweed or Water lettuce would be ideal as a floater- you'll have to thin it out regularly, but it will help get your parameters under control.
'Lucky Bamboo' is also great- Just make sure the leaves are dry. Only the roots have to be submerged. (The stem can be, but all the leaves have to be out of the water.)

There's one more technique I use when a tank is cycling.. Many members here have never heard of it, and a few might argue, but it significantly speeds up the cycling in my experience-
Add 1/2 tsp of sugar per 5 gallons to your aquarium with every water change. (I dissolve it in a cup of water and slowly pour it into the filter.) You can begin to wean your tank off of the sugar regime when ammonia and nitrite in your TANK hit 0.
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:39 PM   #27
 
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api test.topfin conditioner.no plants.20%daily latley. i have tested and retested water. i just dont know.
Wow that is insane. (Edit- Mika was right...read some articles. Nitrate at a level above 40ppm can be dangerous)

I would suggest switching to Seachem Prime as it is very Potent and Reliable. This could safe you a lot of trouble and stress.

Prime saved my fish. seriously. My fish thank me for it subconsciously.

Maybe until things settle do 35-40% water changes.

How long have these tanks been set up for?

Also live Red said, Live plants!! They will take all that ammonia, nitrite and nitrate out.

Java Fern
Java Moss
Cabomba

3 real easy plants to have.

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Why sugar?

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Old 05-01-2012, 03:43 PM   #28
 
Just to note ammonia and nitrite is actually allowed in drinking water. The levels mentioned in this post are well within legal levels. While ammonia and nitrite is deadly to fish, its certainly not to humans.

The KH, GH, and alkalinity refers to your water hardness. You have very hard water and that isn't necessarily bad. However its not very suitable for platies. African cichlids and other hard water fish would be a much better choice for your water.

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Old 05-01-2012, 03:43 PM   #29
 
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Number one, use Prime. It's a dechlorinator that also converts ammonia (toxic) to ammonium (relatively safe).

Secondly, I'd urge you to consider getting some live plants. Duckweed or Water lettuce would be ideal as a floater- you'll have to thin it out regularly, but it will help get your parameters under control.
'Lucky Bamboo' is also great- Just make sure the leaves are dry. Only the roots have to be submerged. (The stem can be, but all the leaves have to be out of the water.)

There's one more technique I use when a tank is cycling.. Many members here have never heard of it, and a few might argue, but it significantly speeds up the cycling in my experience-
Add 1/2 tsp of sugar per 5 gallons to your aquarium with every water change. (I dissolve it in a cup of water and slowly pour it into the filter.) You can begin to wean your tank off of the sugar regime when ammonia and nitrite in your TANK hit 0.
thanks for your advice. on my next water change i refuse to use tap water. can i use bottled spring water or what do you suggest
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Old 05-01-2012, 03:58 PM   #30
 
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thanks for your advice. on my next water change i refuse to use tap water. can i use bottled spring water or what do you suggest
Test the bottled spring water. That might get expensive...If parameters are good than why not.

If you use Prime on your tap water it will be safer except the high alkalinity and high pH.

Here is where you are going to run into some difficulty. Due to your high Alkalinity, your water will change pH very slowly.
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High alkalinity means that the water
body has the ability to neutralize acidic pollution
from rainfall or basic inputs from wastewater.

Alkalinity comes from rocks and soils, salts,
certain plant activities, and certain industrial
wastewater discharges (detergents and soapbased products are alkaline). If an area’s geology
contains large quantities of calcium carbonate
(CaCO3, limestone), water bodies tend to be more
alkaline.
http://www.uri.edu/ce/wq/ww/Publicat...alkalinity.pdf

I would look into adding Driftwood, Peetmoss or something that will naturally lower your pH. This way it comes down slow and safe for your fish instead of shocking them.
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