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post #11 of 48 Old 11-16-2009, 06:14 PM
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Those plants look very nice.

I will definitely follow your advice.

Thanks

Keeping live plants is new to me.
Thank you. Fifteen years this has worked, there must be something in a simple natural approach. It doesn't have to be difficult nor expensive, and shouldn't be. One just has to provide the basics in balance, and nature will make it work.

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post #12 of 48 Old 11-17-2009, 11:04 AM Thread Starter
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Rather than Floss in the line-up, what do you think of using Purigen?

20 gallon long est. Oct 2009
Flora: 10% Duckweed, Amazon Swords, Java Ferns, Java Moss, Anacharis & Anubias.
Fauna: 18 Cardinals, 8 Pygmy Corys, 6 male Endlers, 3 Otos, & 3 Ghost Shrimp
Filter: AquaClear 50 with foam, fiber, & 2 biomax bags
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post #13 of 48 Old 11-17-2009, 01:43 PM
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Rather than Floss in the line-up, what do you think of using Purigen?
Filter floss/wool (whatever it is) is important in keeping the water "clear" by removing the minute particles. Bacteria obviously grow on the pads and that is secondary to their prime usefulness.

I personally would not bother with Purigen, because it does other things. According to Seachem's website info, "Purigen controls ammonia, nitrites and nitrates by removing nitrogenous organic waste that would otherwise release these harmful compounds. Purigenísô impact on trace elements is minimal. It significantly raises redox." In a planted aquarium, the plants use ammonium (either as ammonium or converting it from ammonia) and in significant capacity. What little is left is used by bacteria, and as bacteria are a natural part of any healthy ecosystem I would prefer to have the bacteria. How much of these "harmful compounds"--and I could argue that they are not really that harmful in a planted tank anyway--Purigen will remove I don't know, but the fact that it is said to also remove trace elements even if minimally makes we think it is best avoided.

The whole point in a well-planted aquarium is making it healthier, and the plants are so much better at doing this than any filter or product. Let nature do its thing without interference, and I believe the aquarium will be more stable and healthier.

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post #14 of 48 Old 11-17-2009, 02:26 PM Thread Starter
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Byron,

Thanks for your complete responses, it really clears the air and paints a full and complete picture, a firm hand shake to you sir.

Away with the thought of Purigen and Floss it is.

Went searching for the plant additives and could only find "Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium". "Kent Freshwater Plant Supplement" and "Nutrafin's Plant-Gro sticks" will have to bought online, not that there's anything wrong with that.

20 gallon long est. Oct 2009
Flora: 10% Duckweed, Amazon Swords, Java Ferns, Java Moss, Anacharis & Anubias.
Fauna: 18 Cardinals, 8 Pygmy Corys, 6 male Endlers, 3 Otos, & 3 Ghost Shrimp
Filter: AquaClear 50 with foam, fiber, & 2 biomax bags
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Byron,

Thanks for your complete responses, it really clears the air and paints a full and complete picture, a firm hand shake to you sir.

Away with the thought of Purigen and Floss it is.

Went searching for the plant additives and could only find "Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement for the Planted Aquarium". "Kent Freshwater Plant Supplement" and "Nutrafin's Plant-Gro sticks" will have to bought online, not that there's anything wrong with that.
You don't need both the Flourish and Kent, either will do, they are basically the same. If you can get Flourish locally, good; and buying the largest size saves money long-term. I bought a 2 litre jug more than a year ago and am still using it. I have three large tanks, with smaller tanks it may not be that much of an impact.

The Flourish root tabs work well, others on here use them, my only issue is that they are more expensive but... that's up to you. The Plant-Gro sticks are said to last a year, I've had mine since March this year, and with Flourish tabs they need replacing every 3 months.

And thank you sincerely for the kind words. You're most welcome.

B.

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Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #16 of 48 Old 11-17-2009, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
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Okay, great. I did find the Nutrafin Plant-Gro Stick at another LFS, 6 for $8. So I'm all set to hopefully have my plants flourish and do their thing.

Thanks a bunch Byron, couldn't have done it without you.

20 gallon long est. Oct 2009
Flora: 10% Duckweed, Amazon Swords, Java Ferns, Java Moss, Anacharis & Anubias.
Fauna: 18 Cardinals, 8 Pygmy Corys, 6 male Endlers, 3 Otos, & 3 Ghost Shrimp
Filter: AquaClear 50 with foam, fiber, & 2 biomax bags
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post #17 of 48 Old 11-18-2009, 09:49 AM Thread Starter
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I think I need to make better choices of plants. The swords we spoke about probably need more light than I'm willing to provide.... an AquaGlo 20W 24" T-8. There is also much natural light from the windows and patio door.

Here is a list of low light plants I should probably chose from, do you think with a good selection and quantity of them be sufficient to handle the bio load of my fish's wish list (not in my signature)?

Java moss
Java Fern
Lace Java Fern
Narrow leaf Java Fern
Most of the Cryptocoryne sp.
Most of the Anubias sp.
Guppy grass
Hornwort

20 gallon long est. Oct 2009
Flora: 10% Duckweed, Amazon Swords, Java Ferns, Java Moss, Anacharis & Anubias.
Fauna: 18 Cardinals, 8 Pygmy Corys, 6 male Endlers, 3 Otos, & 3 Ghost Shrimp
Filter: AquaClear 50 with foam, fiber, & 2 biomax bags

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post #18 of 48 Old 11-18-2009, 09:58 AM
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Is the "Aqua Glow" what you have for your 20g right now? IMO that's a fairly good light for the plants chosen considering its in the 18.000K range.
For this tank size I'd prop get 2 of each of the Java's maybe some 4-6 Crypto totals and for a neat eye catcher some 2-3 anubias.
For what you call "Guppy grass" here that's some serious fast growing plant so i'd only get one, trim it weekly and stick the clippings back int he gravel to grow.
Same for the moss, only get one and attached it to a spot you like on a rock or DW to nicely grow out.

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post #19 of 48 Old 11-18-2009, 11:00 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks.

Yes, that light is the one I have now.

In the picture I provided earlier I currently have these broad leaf swords (6 total and I'm not really sure what their names are), several Anacharis which seem to be doing just fine, Duckweed covering about 70% of the surfice, 1 Java Fern and a golf ball size of Java Moss tied to an artificial drift wood and a small rock.

My concern with these is that I think the broad leaf swords need more light but I guess there's no harm in leaving them in and seeing how they do.

Thanks for the suggested plants, if I follow your advise I'd be adding about 9 more plants. That's good right?

20 gallon long est. Oct 2009
Flora: 10% Duckweed, Amazon Swords, Java Ferns, Java Moss, Anacharis & Anubias.
Fauna: 18 Cardinals, 8 Pygmy Corys, 6 male Endlers, 3 Otos, & 3 Ghost Shrimp
Filter: AquaClear 50 with foam, fiber, & 2 biomax bags
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I think I need to make better choices of plants. The swords we spoke about probably need more light than I'm willing to provide.... an AquaGlo 20W 24" T-8. There is also much natural light from the windows and patio door.

Here is a list of low light plants I should probably chose from, do you think with a good selection and quantity of them be sufficient to handle the bio load of my fish's wish list (not in my signature)?

Java moss
Java Fern
Lace Java Fern
Narrow leaf Java Fern
Most of the Cryptocoryne sp.
Most of the Anubias sp.
Guppy grass
Hornwort
Your tank is a 20g Long, so one tube is adequate light for swords; but it has to be the right type of light. I have one 25w tube over my 33g and plants grow like weeds.

Personally I do not like nor use the "Aqua-Glo" or "Flora-Glo" tubes, or any similar name; these emit a purplish light (they are high in the blue and red which is fine, but don't have the green to balance) and it is not as intense as full spectrum.

In all my tanks with one tube I always use a Life-Glo 2 or Life-Glo. The light is the same in either, but the Life-Glo is slightly more intense due to a special coating inside the tube that reflects light more out one side. This is an advantage on tanks with one tube, so I would go with the Life-Glo tube. But a Life-Glo 2 would also work, and it is slightly less expensive. You will have no trouble growing swords with this light, and swords are excellent aquarium plants because they are strong and grow well, filtering the water.

I never fuss over low-light and high-light plants, all plants will grow under good light with the exception (perhaps) of a few tricky ones like the dwarf grasses, baby tears, etc. Many members report these need higher light (and then you're in to CO2 and everything), so I avoid them. You saw what my tanks look like, I only have one watt per gallon, not even that in the 115g, and I am culling out pygmy swords and pennywort every week. The right light and nutrients is all that's necessary.

Byron.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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