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No Nitrite or Nitrate reading? after months?
Old 08-18-2011, 02:18 PM   #11
 
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I am getting ammonia readings, usually it gets to about 1.0 before i change the water sometimes it has been at 2.0 ppm.
have you tested your water supply? does that have ammonia in it too?
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:21 PM   #12
 
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Like Byron said the tank may actually be cycled. Have you checked your tap water source for any levels of ammonia present there?
I have done a PH and a ammonia test on the tap water and PH is at 8.0 after treated with water conditioner, PH is much higher and the test is purple straight from the tank! at 8.0 it is level with the tank water.

ammonia readings are zero from the tap and from the treated water.

I do leave the treated water for about a day or two in my living room before i add to the tank, rather than straight away. I doubt this has anything to do with anything does it? i do this just to make sure the water is treated thoroughly and the temperature is at least room temp before i add to tank.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:25 PM   #13
 
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I have done a PH and a ammonia test on the tap water and PH is at 8.0 after treated with water conditioner, PH is much higher and the test is purple straight from the tank! at 8.0 it is level with the tank water.

ammonia readings are zero from the tap and from the treated water.

I do leave the treated water for about a day or two in my living room before i add to the tank, rather than straight away. I doubt this has anything to do with anything does it? i do this just to make sure the water is treated thoroughly and the temperature is at least room temp before i add to tank.
i can't see how leaving it out would affect the levels. it is kind of strange that your tank still has ammonia. since your water source doesn't have any, i would be rather concerned that you tank isn't cycling for some reason. i have no idea why and no idea what to do about it, but it does seem strange.

as for the high pH, that can depend on where you are. i was getting 8.4 out of the tap before i changed source.
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:12 PM   #14
 
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I had missed the constant ammonia reading previously, my apology. Something is odd here. I've reviewed the thread again.

When you cleaned the filter, did you just rinse it, in tap water or tank water? Or replace anything? I had a look at your earlier link but can't find info on what the filter media actually is, other than sponge. Is there any sort of chemical/carbon/material?

Water changes should be every week in normal circumstances, 40-50% of the tank. And vacuum the substrate a bit at each.

Live plants would help all of this, from assimilating lots of ammonia. Any chance of getting some live plants?

Are you only feeding alternate days--want to make sure I read that correctly?

Nothing but Tetra AquaSafe is going in the tank. With this conditioner you don't need to let the water sit. While that is not causing this [unless something is getting in to the water...] there is no need. Fresh tap water is fine, just squirt in the conditioner, it acts immediately to detoxify chlorine/chloramine [I assume this is AquaSafe Plus].

On the pH, let a glass of tap water (with nothing in it, no conditioner, etc) sit overnight and then test it. Depending upon the amount of dissolved CO2 in the tap water, it will dissipate out and the pH reading may be higher. CO2 lowers pH by adding carbonic acid to the water.
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:01 PM   #15
 
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I had missed the constant ammonia reading previously, my apology. Something is odd here. I've reviewed the thread again.

When you cleaned the filter, did you just rinse it, in tap water or tank water? Or replace anything? I had a look at your earlier link but can't find info on what the filter media actually is, other than sponge. Is there any sort of chemical/carbon/material?

Water changes should be every week in normal circumstances, 40-50% of the tank. And vacuum the substrate a bit at each.

Live plants would help all of this, from assimilating lots of ammonia. Any chance of getting some live plants?

Are you only feeding alternate days--want to make sure I read that correctly?

Nothing but Tetra AquaSafe is going in the tank. With this conditioner you don't need to let the water sit. While that is not causing this [unless something is getting in to the water...] there is no need. Fresh tap water is fine, just squirt in the conditioner, it acts immediately to detoxify chlorine/chloramine [I assume this is AquaSafe Plus].

On the pH, let a glass of tap water (with nothing in it, no conditioner, etc) sit overnight and then test it. Depending upon the amount of dissolved CO2 in the tap water, it will dissipate out and the pH reading may be higher. CO2 lowers pH by adding carbonic acid to the water.
When i cleaned the filter i just rinsed it in the tank water , it is just a sponge filter, no other materials.
I can start changing the water every week, i didnt previously as all levels were fine just ammonia. I vaccum the substrate but only partially. i.e. a third at a time. I confirm i only feed alternate days. It is aquasafe plus.

I will try the tap water ph test tonight. Thanks again.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:02 PM   #16
 
Tested the ph and it is irtually the same at 7.8.

Not sure what i should do if the tank isnt cycled, really want to add say 5 neon tetra.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:07 PM   #17
 
i don't know what other, more experienced people think, but i believe there are filter media out there that are supposed to reduce ammonia. have you looked into anything like that?
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:40 PM   #18
 
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I am puzzled as to where the ammonia at such high levels (1 and 2 ppm) is coming from. I know initially using biological supplements can cause ammonia, I don't know if SafeStart is one that does, but that should not be continuing. It's been nearly 6 months. Can you take some tank water to a fish store for ammonia testing? That would at least confirm it or not, just in case something is wrong with the test kit.

Want to ensure I am understanding the pH now; it is 7.8 out of the tap and 7.8 in the tank, correct?
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:45 AM   #19
 
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With tetra safe start there will be ammonia readings in the tank while it is establishing. On another forum when I started keeping fish back in May I came across an article where one of the members sent in a list of questions to Tetra on the product, and the posted the reply from tetra on the site. If anyone is interested in reading it, with a little bit of searching I should be able to find it again. From the company they do say that there will be the presence of ammonia which the bacteria in the bottle needs to live off of while it establishes itself in the tank. They say that it can take up to two weeks with this product for it to do its thing, and say not to do any water changes during that time. I have now used this product twice in two of my tanks to help jumpstart my cycle. Within a few days on both tanks I was getting reading on ammonia and nitrates, eventually with readings on nitrites and eventually 0 on ammonia and nitrites with reading on nitrates. The first time I used the product I did not do any water changes for the 2 week period, this time I have taken a different approach and have been doing regular water changes, still seeing a similar trend but numbers have been staying lower. If anyone wants any more details let me know.

With the teta aquasafe I noticed that they said it has seaweed extracts in it, I am wondering if this may have any effect? Have you tried using a different water conditioner, something like prime, which will detoxify ammonia and nitrites for awhile, or another good quaility water conditioner. I am wondering if using a conditioner that is suppose to promote the benificial bacteria in the tank is contributing to the ammonia problem that you are having.
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Old 08-22-2011, 12:32 PM   #20
 
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With tetra safe start there will be ammonia readings in the tank while it is establishing. On another forum when I started keeping fish back in May I came across an article where one of the members sent in a list of questions to Tetra on the product, and the posted the reply from tetra on the site. If anyone is interested in reading it, with a little bit of searching I should be able to find it again. From the company they do say that there will be the presence of ammonia which the bacteria in the bottle needs to live off of while it establishes itself in the tank. They say that it can take up to two weeks with this product for it to do its thing, and say not to do any water changes during that time. I have now used this product twice in two of my tanks to help jumpstart my cycle. Within a few days on both tanks I was getting reading on ammonia and nitrates, eventually with readings on nitrites and eventually 0 on ammonia and nitrites with reading on nitrates. The first time I used the product I did not do any water changes for the 2 week period, this time I have taken a different approach and have been doing regular water changes, still seeing a similar trend but numbers have been staying lower. If anyone wants any more details let me know.

With the teta aquasafe I noticed that they said it has seaweed extracts in it, I am wondering if this may have any effect? Have you tried using a different water conditioner, something like prime, which will detoxify ammonia and nitrites for awhile, or another good quaility water conditioner. I am wondering if using a conditioner that is suppose to promote the benificial bacteria in the tank is contributing to the ammonia problem that you are having.
I have now changed to api water conditioner

Tap Water Conditioner? - API

I'll monitor this to see how i get on.
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