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Old 03-01-2012, 06:15 PM   #11
 
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Red crack me up. When I first looked at your post (before I started reading) I thought "Wow! she has 2 fish that look exactly like mine do" ha ha

I know what you are saying. I will check into some onion plants, I avoid the grass because it took over my small tank and to me it looks almost like weeds. I don't care for how it comes up mixed into other plants giving it the messy look. The Onion plants I have noticed in the past and thought they looked sort of cool. Is that one that will just keep growing and I cut the end of it as needed?

To go further with what you are saying you think it would look better if I took the Indian Red Echinodorus that is currently on the left (the one you put in red) moved that back next to the sword by the other one like it. Then moved the Small word (the other one you put in red) move it back and snatch up a couple other smaller sword stragglers and grouped them in that area? I think pretty much else is grouped by variety. The Money wort is a little here and there just because It is so spindly.

Oh, the other thing about depths is this tank stinks in that it is only 12 inches wide so... not a lot of front, middle, back. It is pretty much front and back. The ones I have in the front are currently the smaller plants. None of the plants I have in there will stay too small but maybe I can sell some as they get too big and place new babies in there?
Also, Nobody commented on the filter intake. How do you keep the plants from sucking onto it?

Oh, If I move the one sword back a few inches would it be enough? Reason I am wondering is because in part I want it to cover the ugly shark log as much as possible. I am hoping what I will create, as they grow out is a plant tunnel, kind of over the log.
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:34 PM   #12
 
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I don't worry about my duckweed clogging up the intake. it slows down the water movement, which is a good thing as far as I'm converned.

I have a 20L thats only about 12 inches front to back... I categorized the plants as
A Above 12 inches when grown and
B below (or slow grower, like anubias)


first, plant the A- plants as close together as possible, as close to the back as possible. Shoot for all of them being 5 inches or less from the back of the tank.
Then place the driftwood and rockwork- it can shape the swords well by lifting the low-laying leaves.
Finally, place the B plants in front of and around the wood and rock.
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Old 03-02-2012, 04:12 AM   #13
 
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I don't worry about my duckweed clogging up the intake. it slows down the water movement, which is a good thing as far as I'm converned.

I have a 20L thats only about 12 inches front to back... I categorized the plants as
A Above 12 inches when grown and Most of mine are going to be above 12 inches when grown. I wanted mostly tall plants for the fish to be able to swim through. I have Anubias on the ugly log and Java Fern on the driftwood but other then that most will get fairly tall. I have a few smaller swords but those are already near the front. How much space do you think I should have at the front total? I mean, without plants?
B below (or slow grower, like anubias) I do that these nearer the front. It sucks when there is so little space between the front and the back. I wish it were 18 inches or even 24 rather then only 12


first, plant the A- plants as close together as possible, as close to the back as possible. Shoot for all of them being 5 inches or less from the back of the tank.
I was afraid that if I got them too close together the light wouldn't get to the roots and they would Rott, is that untrue? Also, I do have 18 little Cories and a shark that live down there that I thought needed space, no? I am concerned about enough food making their way down to them? I have a few more Swords that I can stuff in along the back of the tank. Isn't planting too close to the glass a problem? It sort of makes the plant stand funny, and not be able to allow the leaves to flow or move naturally in the water? It seems like in my small tank that was stuffed a bit full that the leaves that were too class to the glass got covered in algae while the rest of the plant didn't. I thought that was because it was too close.

I want plants that are at least 24 inches high in the back and my Amazons should get that tall but right now they are not mature plants. The Indian Reds should get at least 18 inches tall as well. Also, the Hygrophilia (sp?) Is in the front on the side and that should get big, I didn't want it in the back just yet because I thought it would get lost. Do you think I should stick that in the back? I think I don't have enough plants for the front as most of mine are tall plants. I wanted the whole tank tall, I guess. ha ha

Then place the driftwood and rockwork- it can shape the swords well by lifting the low-laying leaves.
Finally, place the B plants in front of and around the wood and rock.
I need more B plants, I don't know that I have any in there other there other then the few small swords. Oh and the Anubias and Java fern that is tied to the log. That stupid log even cut down is almost from front to back. I had just enough room to plant the Indian Reds behind it. Would you suggest a different plant behind that? I went with that theory too that the plant would shape well above it? or rather, around it?


I don't mind the water flow slowing down with the plant sticking on the intake, I was most concerned about the plant rotting from being stuck on it.

Oh, I just realized I do have some shorter ones... I have the Cryptocoryne's but they are already near the front too. Should I clump them together in the front?

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Old 03-02-2012, 10:18 AM   #14
 
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Inga, the only thing I see in the original photos that might need changing is to move the log slightly left or right. It is fairly centre, and that always draws attention to itself. You might incorporate some of the other members' suggestions as to placement, I would say where.

Plants look very good. Give them time to settle and grow.

As for the back cover, the best way to achieve this is with floating Water Sprite. The thicker leaf structure and root mass extending down into the tank will make this space disappear. And the fish would love a roof over them anyway.

Your stepping on the glass reminded me, I did this once. Another time I was drying it too hard and it snapped in half. And one further time I had a hanging Christmas cactus in the corner of the solarium where the fish tanks were, and one day as I was doing the water changes, the hook snapped. I honestly thought someone had fired a shot through the window. With my back turned toward it, I heard a very load crack as the hook snapped, followed in about 1 second by breaking glass. The plant fell straight down and hit two of the tank cover panels that I had cleaned and they were standing against the end of the tank. Fortunately the plant was not above either of the tanks.

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Old 03-02-2012, 12:35 PM   #15
 
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How tall is the tank? I was assuming a 20L but now I see the tank is much taller than I thought...

Try to organize them however you can, but try to the tallest 1/2 in the back and sides, with the other shorter plants in the middle. I love the anubias, try to showcase it a little more.

If you 'top' the stem plants, they will branch out more... (just cut off the top 2 inches or so, and replace them. the pruned plants will become 'bushy'. I like the large sword in the back right corner.. Maybe move the driftwood over towards it so it can shape the leaves up (rather than laying down).
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Old 03-02-2012, 01:58 PM   #16
 
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Alright, based on your suggestions, I made these moves. I moved the ugly log over about 8 inches. I moved the Indian Red Echinodorus over by the other one to make a group (you don't think that is too much? I moved the Balansae over to the other side, making room for the log move. Don't judge the piece of wood sitting propped up on the log, it is just there holding the Anubias in place for now. The water is a wild mess right now from the comotion but otherwise, is this kind of what you were suggesting? Oh, I also moved the small Amazon over to the other side to be by it's kind as suggested. Doesn't it seem off balance now or is it just me. Remember over look the odd piece of driftwood just sitting there. Where can I put that? I want to keep some wood for my algae eaters but I don't know where to put it now?

Byron, I do have Water sprite and Pennywort floating but I shoved them all over to one side or the other to let light in so I could get pictures. The water sprite is only 2 large pieces right now but It should grow. How does that reproduce? You can tell it had been planted, is it too late to allow it to float?



Notice Rainbow shark posturing in the picture by his log. He is getting really mad at me for continually messing with his house. ha ha


Red, the tank is 48 X12 X25 inches high

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Old 03-02-2012, 02:11 PM   #17
 
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Decided to post a before and After so you can see the changes.

BEFORE


AFTER



Not sure I like the cryptocoryne balansae moved to the middle as it seems to take away from the very cool Aponogeton Crispus. Seems sort of a waste, doesn't it? But where should I move the Balansae?

Hey Byron aren't you proud of me using the technical names? ha ha

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Old 03-02-2012, 03:07 PM   #18
 
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i think your tank looks awesome! to be honest the log looks great in there. i have a fake one in my tank also, but it is not nearly as nice as yours. wondering where to get a real one :(maybe if you encourage some moss to grow over it. you can hide it that way
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Old 03-02-2012, 03:17 PM   #19
 
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pretty close to what I had in mind. Where did you put the red sword that was in the front?

I think it would look well in the back close (around) the piece of driftwood on the left...

I actually like it.. it definately looks more open, and the tank actually does look larger.. What do you think? It's not my tank ;)

I think the plants will grow in well together too...
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:30 PM   #20
 
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i think your tank looks awesome! to be honest the log looks great in there. i have a fake one in my tank also, but it is not nearly as nice as yours. wondering where to get a real one :(maybe if you encourage some moss to grow over it. you can hide it that way

I tied two very tiny Anubias plants to it so I am hopeful that they will attach and grow on there. If they do, I think it will help some as well. Also, as the plants next door to it, grow maybe they will sort of hang over the top of it and hide it as well. I do not like the back of it right now as it shows the cut end way too much.


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pretty close to what I had in mind. Where did you put the red sword that was in the front?

I think it would look well in the back close (around) the piece of driftwood on the left...

I actually like it.. it definately looks more open, and the tank actually does look larger.. What do you think? It's not my tank ;)

I think the plants will grow in well together too...


I put the Red plant which is actually an Indian Red Echinodorus, next to the other one the middle, sort of to the left of the Amazon swords. What I don't like is that the Echinodorus, The Crispus, the Balansae all sort of blend and you don't see much difference there. I mean, when you look at the picture, can you pick out the 3 different plants?
I like the idea of having one of the two Red Echinodorus in the back left that someone mentioned. Where were you thinking??? The driftwood on the left? Do you mean the log?

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