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Old 03-01-2013, 11:07 AM   #71
 
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Okay, I just spent several minutes putting all your fish into aqadvisor. You claim it says your fish are fine?

This is what it spat out at me.

Warning: Tire Track Eel is too aggressive to co-exist with Pearl Gourami.
Warning: Bala Shark is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 12 inches.
Warning: At least 5 x Bala Shark are recommended in a group.
Warning: Molly may become food for Bala Shark.
Warning: Glass Catfish may become food for Bala Shark.
Suggestion: If you want to keep more than 1 Molly, minimum recommend male to female ratio is 1:2 (M:F). You will be less likely to experience problem if you get even more females.
Warning: Tire Track Eel is too aggressive to co-exist with Molly.
Warning: At least 5 x Glass Catfish are recommended in a group.
Warning: Tire Track Eel is too aggressive to co-exist with Glass Catfish.
Note: Clown Loach may pretend to be dead at times.
Warning: Clown Loach is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 12 inches.
Warning: At least 5 x Clown Loach are recommended in a group.
Note: Tire Track Eel may escape - lids are recommended.
Warning: Tire Track Eel is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 36 inches.
Warning: Tire Track Eel requires a tank with more height.
Warning: Molly may become food for Tire Track Eel.
Warning: Your selected species may eventually require 259% of your aquarium space. You may need to deal with territorial aggressions later on. Try removing some of (Balantiocheilos melanopterus, Chromobotia macracanthus, Platydoras costatus, Mastacembelus armatus) or get a larger tank.


Warning: Water temperature requirements are not fully compatible between all selected species.
=> 24 - 28C: Pearl Gourami
=> 19 - 23C: Fancy Goldfish
=> 22 - 28C: Bala Shark
=> 18 - 28C: Molly
=> 22 - 27C: Glass Catfish
=> 24 - 30C: Clown Loach
=> 22 - 28C: Raphael Catfish
=> 22 - 27C: Tire Track Eel
[Display in Farenheit]
Recommended pH range: 7 - 7.5.
Recommended hardness range: 11 - 15 dH.
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:09 PM   #72
 
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aqadvisor is okay for just a general idea, but it is in no means perfect, nor should you discredit what anyone has to say because of it. At the end of the day it is a machine, and cannot take into account every aspect of each fish.
Yes. It is a tool, and a tool is only as good as the person using it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:52 PM   #73
 
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Okay, I just spent several minutes putting all your fish into aqadvisor. You claim it says your fish are fine?

This is what it spat out at me.

Warning: Tire Track Eel is too aggressive to co-exist with Pearl Gourami.
Warning: Bala Shark is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 12 inches.
Warning: At least 5 x Bala Shark are recommended in a group.
Warning: Molly may become food for Bala Shark.
Warning: Glass Catfish may become food for Bala Shark.
Suggestion: If you want to keep more than 1 Molly, minimum recommend male to female ratio is 1:2 (M:F). You will be less likely to experience problem if you get even more females.
Warning: Tire Track Eel is too aggressive to co-exist with Molly.
Warning: At least 5 x Glass Catfish are recommended in a group.
Warning: Tire Track Eel is too aggressive to co-exist with Glass Catfish.
Note: Clown Loach may pretend to be dead at times.
Warning: Clown Loach is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 12 inches.
Warning: At least 5 x Clown Loach are recommended in a group.
Note: Tire Track Eel may escape - lids are recommended.
Warning: Tire Track Eel is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 36 inches.
Warning: Tire Track Eel requires a tank with more height.
Warning: Molly may become food for Tire Track Eel.
Warning: Your selected species may eventually require 259% of your aquarium space. You may need to deal with territorial aggressions later on. Try removing some of (Balantiocheilos melanopterus, Chromobotia macracanthus, Platydoras costatus, Mastacembelus armatus) or get a larger tank.


Warning: Water temperature requirements are not fully compatible between all selected species.
=> 24 - 28C: Pearl Gourami
=> 19 - 23C: Fancy Goldfish
=> 22 - 28C: Bala Shark
=> 18 - 28C: Molly
=> 22 - 27C: Glass Catfish
=> 24 - 30C: Clown Loach
=> 22 - 28C: Raphael Catfish
=> 22 - 27C: Tire Track Eel
[Display in Farenheit]
Recommended pH range: 7 - 7.5.
Recommended hardness range: 11 - 15 dH.
Thats just inspiring....
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:35 AM   #74
 
Something tells me another crash has happened, or will happen in the very near future.
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:38 AM   #75
 
Sorry I haven't been on I have been having shoulder trouble and been back and fourth to the doctors. As of today I have not had any crashes. The glass catfish did not make it they kept on getting sucked up by the filter intake tubes no matter how hard I tried to cover the openings. Jentralala I don't know if you were attempting to show that the aqadvisor doesn't work the way I put things in or not but I just re-ran it and here is what I got:


Warning: Bala Shark is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 12 inches.
Warning: At least 5 x Bala Shark are recommended in a group.

Warning: Molly may become food for Bala Shark.

Suggestion: If you want to keep more than 1 Molly, minimum recommend male to female ratio is 1:2 (M:F). You will be less likely to experience problem if you get even more females.

Note: Clown Loach may pretend to be dead at times.

Warning: Clown Loach is not recommended for your tank - it may eventually outgrow your tank space, potentially reaching up to 12 inches.

Warning: At least 5 x Clown Loach are recommended in a group.

Note: Zig Zag Spiny Eel may escape - lids are recommended.

Warning: Water temperature requirements are not fully compatible between all selected species.
=> 75.2 - 82.4F: Pearl Gourami
=> 66.2 - 73.4F: Oranda Goldfish
=> 71.6 - 82.4F: Bala Shark
=> 64.4 - 82.4F: Molly
=> 75.2 - 86F: Clown Loach
=> 73.4 - 86F: Stripped Raphael Catish
=> 75.2 - 80.6F: Zig Zag Spiny Eel
[Display in Celsius]
Recommended pH range: 7 - 7.5.
Recommended hardness range: 11 - 15 dH.



You have plenty of aquarium filtration capacity.

Your aquarium filtration capacity for above selected species is 198%.
Recommended water change schedule: 15% per week.
Your aquarium stocking level is 57%
You have plenty of aquarium filtration capacity.
Your aquarium filtration capacity for above selected species is 198%.
Recommended water change schedule: 15% per week.
Your aquarium stocking level is 57%
I do see that as per the aqadvisor my water temp. is not compatible as you said, I keep it at 76 degrees to try to level it out and make everyone as comphy as possible. I located the source of my original problem (cloudy water) and the differences in the ammonia. I had bought new ammonia reducing pouch instead of the carbon pouch for my filters and the next day the water was cloudy and the ammonia was giving a false reading of 6.0. I changed them out for the factory type charcoal pouches. I have been doing 25% water changes every week and I am glad to say that the Ph has naturally risen to a 7.2 and the ammonia is a 0.00. I have also purchased some new plants that are thriving in the tank. They were about 6 inches tall when I purchased them about 3 weeks ago and they are about 10 inches now. The shrimp I have in the 10 gallon tank have also given birth to a few new babies but they are really hard to see. Besides that every other fish is healthy with no problems.
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:19 AM   #76
 
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What I was trying to point out were all the incompatibilities you have in your tank. Those fish should not ever be housed together, they are dying of stress as we speak. You may not be able to see the signs, but I can assure you those fish are not happy. Fish are not as nearly as adaptable as people think, you can't just toss a bunch in some water and say they'll be fine. It's a bit of an art and a science, but well worth the effort and time to create a stocking plan that has everyone happy and healthy. It's what all of the regular members here strive for, to create a natural tank where a fish can comfortably live out it's entire life cycle with special care taken to ensure they are in their proper temperature range and are co-existing with suitable fish that co-habitat similar water.

I really, really want to help you but you just continue to ignore the advice we give to you, especially regarding stocking.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:32 AM   #77
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The reason that I had stocked that tank the way I have it is as follows:
...made it through my big screw up. ....were impulse buys.... (not knowing how big they get).... (no real method to them). .... the wife's picks.
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OK, leftover fish, fine, they are already there. The rest of the reasons for fish purchases are not reasons. Every fish purchase should be researched and thought out to be sure that they fit your particular setup in everything from water conditions to tank size and fish preference. I won't go on about the wife's involvement, it could be any other person who just wants fish for whatever reason. I have the same issue but explained to her why we are choosing fish the way we are and she needs to respect those choices and the why behind them. She wanted corals... nuff said.

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I am willing to take any advice I get, I want the best for the fish and don't want to loose anymore.
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My advice is as follows, take it as you will.

Return the Loaches (too big eventually), goldfish (likes colder water) and bala sharks (eats everything... OK exaggerating but not much). There are other reasons but those are the first that come to mind and are enough on their own.

Keep the Gourami, mollies, eel and glass cats... and buy at least 3 more glass cats.

The Rapheal catfish , it's fine but it's a nocturnal fish... personally I skipped anything nocturnal as I like to see the fish... but that's me.

Stop messing with the pH and let it settle somewhere. Lots of plants will help with stability, that's a good start. If you need harder or softer or to adjust the pH there are other natural ways to do this and lots of folks with ideas to help.

Don't buy anything else, fish wise, for at least three weeks other than the glass cats.

If you want to add fish, some corys (lots of species to choose from to fit your tank and water) would be a good addition, minimum group of 6. The glass cats, even though they are catfish, are not a bottom feeder/dweller so they won't be crowding the bottom. The corys will stir up your sand well enough... if you need more disturbing of the sand, get some trumpet snails... sand stirring is not really needed as much as some let on.

That pretty much tops of your tank capacity if you did that. Keep the tank at about 77F and everyone should be happy.

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:14 AM   #78
 
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The glass catfish did not make it they kept on getting sucked up by the filter intake tubes no matter how hard I tried to cover the openings. .
Healthy fish do not get sucked up by the filter. I've got 565 gph from 2 canisters on my 55 and one day old cichlid fry are capable of avoiding the filter intake. Your fish were dying and being collected by the filter - that's what filters do, they collect the water and anything haphazardly floating in it, like a dead or dying fish. Covering the openings is like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
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