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Old 01-23-2012, 06:44 AM   #11
 
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hey all thas been following this,
after 3 50% water changes my new results are as follows
ammonia:0.25
nitrites:2.0
nitrates: 40 ppm
they are lowering slowly, but is there anything i can do to speed the process
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:50 AM   #12
 
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hey all thas been following this,
after 3 50% water changes my new results are as follows
ammonia:0.25
nitrites:2.0
nitrates: 40 ppm
they are lowering slowly, but is there anything i can do to speed the process

Not too much you can do. There are products that report to have "beneficial bacteria" in a bottle. Check for that at your LFS. That may help. Some are better than others, probably the best are sold refrigerated, to keep bacteria alive.

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Old 01-23-2012, 01:00 PM   #13
 
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Are there live plants, by which I mean still alive and growing? I'm wondering if the "plant mess" you mentioned earlier that clogged the filter is partly causing some of this.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:00 PM   #14
 
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yes the plants are living and i have got nutrafin cycle thats supposed have beneficial bacteria etc, my ammonia, and nitrates are lowering but im still having problems with the nitrites, when will i know if my tank has cycled?
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:09 PM   #15
 
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yes the plants are living and i have got nutrafin cycle thats supposed have beneficial bacteria etc, my ammonia, and nitrates are lowering but im still having problems with the nitrites, when will i know if my tank has cycled?
Normally, cycling is achieved when ammonia and nitrite are zero for consecutive days running and nitrates appear. I really don't understand your numbers. I asked about plants because they grab ammonia so fast one cannot even detect nitrite, providing some are reasonably fast growing species (stem plants, floating plants are good for this).

Cycle isn't live bacteria, and it has the "wrong" bacteria in it, but it does still help to quicken the cycling. But the cycle still must establish, this product simply shortens the period by a few days.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:47 PM   #16
 
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Normally, cycling is achieved when ammonia and nitrite are zero for consecutive days running and nitrates appear. I really don't understand your numbers. I asked about plants because they grab ammonia so fast one cannot even detect nitrite, providing some are reasonably fast growing species (stem plants, floating plants are good for this).

Cycle isn't live bacteria, and it has the "wrong" bacteria in it, but it does still help to quicken the cycling. But the cycle still must establish, this product simply shortens the period by a few days.

I agree with you Byron. I didn't even want to comment, because I don't understand how this tank can have such a high level of nitrates, and still have ammonia and nitrites. Weird. Could the tank have lots of decay? What would cause that? Shocking, with water changes it is like that.

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Old 01-23-2012, 07:50 PM   #17
 
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Try not doing any water changes for a couple of days and take note of the readings after that.

By the readings you are getting the cycle looks as if it is stalled, you should not be seeing ammonia and nitrite at those levels of nitrate.

My belief is the plants are not allowing enough ammonia to get to the bacteria to progress the cycle. I have seen it so many times with people planting tanks and then wondering why things are going wrong.

I think the only way to cycle a tank properly is fishless cycling dosing ammonia. Plants are good at reducing nitrates and keeping ammonia at zero once the system is established. By adding plants they feed off the ammonia the bacteria need to progress and get the right bacteria growing.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:52 PM   #18
 
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One thing I forgot to mention, Amy, regarding the API nitrate test. If this is the test yo have, Regent #2 must be shaken for 2 minutes before adding the drops. The instructions say 30 seconds, but this often gives faulty (and high) test results. Two minutes is needed.

Yes Gwen, I don't understand this. Maybe I should start testing my tanks, I might be surprised.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:10 PM   #19
 
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I have API Master Test Kit as well. It is vital you follow the instructions for testing. I shake the bottles for longer than recommend just to be on the safe side. I also add exactly to the 5mm water line, as instructed.
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Old 01-24-2012, 04:40 AM   #20
 
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yes i do follow the instructions on my test kit, and its quite possible there was a lot of decay in my water as the pet shop advised against water changes so for the last 3 weeks it hasnt had a water change, its only when i joined this forum everyone said do water changes that ive been getting things sorted.
i added the nutrafin cycle yesterday after my water change and t
odays results are
ammonia:0
nitrites:0.25
nitrates:40 ppm
im hoping this means i might be nearly cycled?
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