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Old 11-17-2012, 09:50 AM   #11
 
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Couldn't open the photobucket site. But on the wood, my favourite is Malaysian Driftwood because it is heavy and sinks immediately, is not too bad for tannins, and looks very natural with its very dark brown colour and shapes. And it usually has a number of crevices and tunnels in it, which is ideal for fish that like to have a "home" which plecs all do.

This wood is available in fish stores, Petsmart in Canada at least carries it, but I have seen it elsewhere and online. Only problem online is that each piece of wood is different, being natural wood, and thus you don't know exactly what you are getting unless the particular piece is pictured.

Some woods are known to carry toxic fungus, but I have never had this problem nor heard of it with Malaysian driftwood.

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Old 11-17-2012, 11:51 PM   #12
 
After doing quite a bit of researching, I have finally come to face the fact that A pleco may not be the best choice for even a 52 gallon :/ He wouldn't have quite a lot of room to turn around in once 18 inches. I have instead looked at this combo instead, what do you guys think?

4 platys, The smaller amount to keep my females from overbreeding my tank
1 male dwarf gourami, 2 female dwarf gourami
5 Guppys
3 Apple Snails
5 Cherry Shrimp
4 Ghost Shrimp
8 Emperor Tetra
8 Longfin Zebra Danio
8 Black Widow Tetra

This puts the stocking at 101 %, but I would be able to make do with the one larger filter, and there would be a significantly less amount of waste with more swimming room for everyone and the added bonus that I could do live plants like I have always wished to. Also, I do rather like lots of smaller fish than only a few with one large fish that would be slightly uncomfortale and run the risk of eating the others once hes grown.

The water change would only have to be 32 % a week also.

But I am still undecided as to the substrate. . . Should I go Sand or gravel like I have always done?

Also, when I get this tank set up, what would be the best order to add the fish? so as to avoid a sudden ammonia spike from added waste load?
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:46 AM   #13
 
I apologise for the continual changing of the fish, but I noticed that I have mostly chosen characins, that prefer soft acidic water, So perhaps instead of the guppys and platys it would be better to add 5 kuhli loaches? And this way I would get some bottom movement as well.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:38 AM   #14
 
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If you have soft rather than hard source water (tap presumably) then I would avoid livebearers as you suggest; they will not do well in soft water.

Substrate depends upon fish to some extent, as there are those that fare better with sand. If loaches or corys and similar are intended, go with sand. As for kuhli loach, understand you may not see much of them [check the profile].

Water changes. There is no magic number. The more water that is changed the more often, the better. But as most of us feel once a week is it, then changing 1/3 to 1/2 the tank is best. The fish load (and having live plants) influences this somewhat.

Plant the tank well at the beginning. Once planted with some fast growing plants (floating plants are ideal for this), you can begin to add fish with no cycling issues. A few at a time, perhaps species by species.

You don't want an 18-inch pleco in a 55g unless it is basically alone. These fish produce a lot of waste.
And the tank is not wide enough as you say. There are suitable smaller species, plus an array of other substrate fish.

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:03 PM   #15
 
I read the profile before I chose the Kuhli, I think it will be even more rewarding to catch a glimpse of one because of this. I also read the bit about them eating shrimp and snails, I know my shrimp are too small, but would my apple snails be safe from them once about 2 inches in width?

What would be the best plants for a sand substrate? And how would I get them the nutrients they need into the sand?

As for floaters, I have a species that I found very attractive on the way to put into my 20 gallon until I get this larger tank set up. Asian Watermoss, or Salvinia Cucullata. I love the way the leaves form a cone when under bright lighting.

As to the species, I was thinking of adding in half the full group of black widows at a time.

So it would look something like this,

1st week 6 Black Widows

3rd week 6 Zebra Danio

5th Week 6 Zebra Danio

7th week 6 black widows

9th week my current female dwarf gourami ( At this point I will also search for 1 female and 1 male Dwarf Gourami free of the virus they are known to carry, but put into quarintine for a while to be sure)

11th week 8 emperor tetras

13th week, after 4 weeks of quarintine the remaining 2 gouramis shall be added.

15th week 8 Kuhli Loach

(I like to have my tank fully stocked and this will be at the exact fully stocked point, and the larger group so as a less likely chance for the Kuhlis to be bullied by the black widows and emperors)

Would this be a okay schedule to add the fish in?

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #16
 
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I also read the bit about them eating shrimp and snails, I know my shrimp are too small, but would my apple snails be safe from them once about 2 inches in width?
I don't know how aggressive kuhli loach are when it comes to snails; I'll leave that for those with experience to answer.

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What would be the best plants for a sand substrate? And how would I get them the nutrients they need into the sand?
Any plants will manage fine in sand, some better than in gravel. As for nutrients, these are dosed primarily into the water; the water naturally percolates through the substrate, bringing the nutrients to the plant roots. Larger plants like swords will benefit from substrate tabs as well. But liwuid fertilizer is always the first added because it benefits all plants; some nutrients are taken up via the leaves and this deals with that issue too.

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As to the species, I was thinking of adding in half the full group of black widows at a time.
So it would look something like this,
1st week 6 Black Widows
3rd week 6 Zebra Danio
5th Week 6 Zebra Danio
7th week 6 black widows
9th week my current female dwarf gourami ( At this point I will also search for 1 female and 1 male Dwarf Gourami free of the virus they are known to carry, but put into quarintine for a while to be sure)
11th week 8 emperor tetras
13th week, after 4 weeks of quarintine the remaining 2 gouramis shall be added.
15th week 8 Kuhli Loach
(I like to have my tank fully stocked and this will be at the exact fully stocked point, and the larger group so as a less likely chance for the Kuhlis to be bullied by the black widows and emperors)

Would this be a okay schedule to add the fish in?
Always add all the intended numbers of a given species, i.e., all the Black Widow Tetra [aka Black Skirt] at once, etc. The reason is two-fold: within the group there may be a social structure and the more the better to avoid bullies as it allows the natural hierarchy to form from the first in a new environment. And second, the more fish there are in the group per species, the easier they will adjust to the move, meaning less stress and thus less chance of disease. This applies to any species that will be kept in numbers above 1 or a pair. Territorial fish like gourami, cichlids, etc. benefit from this obviously.

A caution though on species. I would not keep sedate fish (gourami) with active fish (danios) nor with known fin nippers (Black Widows). You may want to rethink things a bit. Check the profiles.

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Old 11-18-2012, 08:26 PM   #17
 
I truely would like to keep Gouramis together with this group. But if there is no healthy way, I suppose I work something out with another fishtank.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:06 AM   #18
 
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Success with a "community" aquarium requires careful thought beforehand. There are many reasons why a fish species cannot be kept with many other fish species.

All gourami occur in quiet waters like swamps, ditches, ponds, etc. that are thick with vegetation. Fish swimming actively around them are a source of stress. And we all know that stress causes deterioriating health and often this leads to a shortened lifespan. My srticle on stress explains this more.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:57 PM   #19
 
I understand, I would never dream of causing a shortened lifespan to my current female Gourami, Shes the only fish that I have currently named and the one with the most personality. Perhaps I will either rehome my platies or would 3 gouramis, 2 female, 1 male, be comfortable in a 10 gallon tank?
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:28 PM   #20
 
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I understand, I would never dream of causing a shortened lifespan to my current female Gourami, Shes the only fish that I have currently named and the one with the most personality. Perhaps I will either rehome my platies or would 3 gouramis, 2 female, 1 male, be comfortable in a 10 gallon tank?
The profile mentions a 24-inch tank as minimum, which would be a 15g long or a 20g. And this for a pair. Frankly, this might be risky too. As it notes therein, the male attains 3 inches and some say larger, the female 2.5 inches. If the male happened to be a bit nasty, as happens, or got too eager to spawn as can happen with only one female, the poor female would be hard pressed to escape.
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