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New tank... suggestions?
Old 06-26-2012, 03:09 PM   #11
 
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Angels do prefer to be in groups, and groups need tanks at least as big as 55 gallons. More than likely that angel will end up eating the rasbora and the rainbowfish as these fish are about the size of the natural prey. Diamond tetra would work with angels, but I think they need a larger tank. Check our profile here for more info. Aqadvisor is a good tool, but it doesn't take into account some things that new aquarists need to understand like compatibility and crowding. I don't think the site does a good job with it, so I don't recommend it to newbies.

The harlequin rasbora are a good choice, tho. If he is set on the angelfish, he needs a larger tank.
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:37 PM   #12
 
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Angels do prefer to be in groups, and groups need tanks at least as big as 55 gallons. More than likely that angel will end up eating the rasbora and the rainbowfish as these fish are about the size of the natural prey. Diamond tetra would work with angels, but I think they need a larger tank. Check our profile here for more info. Aqadvisor is a good tool, but it doesn't take into account some things that new aquarists need to understand like compatibility and crowding. I don't think the site does a good job with it, so I don't recommend it to newbies.

The harlequin rasbora are a good choice, tho. If he is set on the angelfish, he needs a larger tank.
I showed him your post. I think you convinced him to look for other fish. :]
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:25 AM   #13
 
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You said this was a 29g tank? This will not work.

Angelfish are shoaling and should be in a group of 5+ which requires a 4-foot tank minimum.

Diamond tetra maybe, but its a big maybe and not one i would attempt. This fish is better in larger groups than 6, it attains 2.5 inches, and it is active so it needs more space, at least a 3-foot tank.

Threadfin Rainbow is fine, and the rasbora; together, just add a few more of each, say 9. [By the way, the rainbow would be eaten by the angelfish anyway, so another reason not a good match.]

Substrate fish with the threadfin and rasbora could be a group of corys, or a group of the dwarf banded loach. A whiptail catfish would add interest with either.
Thanks, Byron. Any other suggestions?
I've had some trouble with him. He keeps picking fish that too large, or he wants a couple fish of many, many school species. I keep telling him its better to get larger groups of the same species, than it is to get only a couple of many species. He seems to be fond of Cichlids, but most of them require 50+ gallons and hard water. It doesn't help that the pet stores he went to said that Angels would be fine in 20 gallons. One guy even told him he could fit a couple into a 10 gallon! I couldn't believe it! Ridiculous.

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Old 06-29-2012, 11:17 AM   #14
 
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Thanks, Byron. Any other suggestions?
I've had some trouble with him. He keeps picking fish that too large, or he wants a couple fish of many, many school species. I keep telling him its better to get larger groups of the same species, than it is to get only a couple of many species. He seems to be fond of Cichlids, but most of them require 50+ gallons and hard water. It doesn't help that the pet stores he went to said that Angels would be fine in 20 gallons. One guy even told him he could fit a couple into a 10 gallon! I couldn't believe it! Ridiculous.
Advice from pet stores is sadly often poor.

My approach to a fish tank is simple: this is not like any other hobby. We are dealing with living creatures and they should not be mistreated any more than one should mistreat a dog or a cat. Fish need certain things, from enough space to live normally, sufficient numbers to interact normally (for shoaling fish), suitable tankmates that will not stress them, etc. This hobby is scientific, and anyone who things the science doesn't matter is simply not responsible.

The two paragraphs in my signature block say it.
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Old 06-29-2012, 12:24 PM   #15
 
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Thanks, Byron. Any other suggestions?
I've had some trouble with him. He keeps picking fish that too large, or he wants a couple fish of many, many school species. I keep telling him its better to get larger groups of the same species, than it is to get only a couple of many species. He seems to be fond of Cichlids, but most of them require 50+ gallons and hard water. It doesn't help that the pet stores he went to said that Angels would be fine in 20 gallons. One guy even told him he could fit a couple into a 10 gallon! I couldn't believe it! Ridiculous.
It helps to remind him that pet stores don't care about you or your fish; they just care about money. It's actually in their benefit to suggest tank sizes that are too small or tank mates that are incompatible. Your fish will be stressed and then get sick. You'll then buy medications from that store and make them more money. Or your fish will die, and you will go buy more. It's sad, but true.

Maybe instead of letting him pick the fish he wants, give him selections of fish to pick from that we know can fit in his tank. You say he likes cichlids? What about building a tank around a Kribensis or a Bolivian Ram? I will readily admit I know very little about these fish other than they are not your typical cichlid that needs a huge tank and liquid cement water. Maybe if you can give him some of what he wants, he will be more willing to listen to your suggestions.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:11 PM   #16
 
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It helps to remind him that pet stores don't care about you or your fish; they just care about money. It's actually in their benefit to suggest tank sizes that are too small or tank mates that are incompatible. Your fish will be stressed and then get sick. You'll then buy medications from that store and make them more money. Or your fish will die, and you will go buy more. It's sad, but true.

Maybe instead of letting him pick the fish he wants, give him selections of fish to pick from that we know can fit in his tank. You say he likes cichlids? What about building a tank around a Kribensis or a Bolivian Ram? I will readily admit I know very little about these fish other than they are not your typical cichlid that needs a huge tank and liquid cement water. Maybe if you can give him some of what he wants, he will be more willing to listen to your suggestions.
Yeah, I told him that their #1 concern is selling him things. I warned him before we even went into the store that he might be provided false information in order to increase sales.
He did like the Kribensis at the fish store...
Alright, I'll compile a list of stuff he can have.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:18 PM   #17
 
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Advice from pet stores is sadly often poor.

My approach to a fish tank is simple: this is not like any other hobby. We are dealing with living creatures and they should not be mistreated any more than one should mistreat a dog or a cat. Fish need certain things, from enough space to live normally, sufficient numbers to interact normally (for shoaling fish), suitable tankmates that will not stress them, etc. This hobby is scientific, and anyone who things the science doesn't matter is simply not responsible.

The two paragraphs in my signature block say it.
Right. That's what I essentially told him when he kept pushing for Angel Fish.

I also said that I'm not try to be the 'bad guy.' I just want to balance his wants with the fishes' needs. I flat out said that if he is going to get a 29 gal tank, he needs to make some compromises or upgrade to a 55 gallon tank. That's when the pet store worker swooped in and said that a couple do be fine in a 10-20 gal tank. I was ticked off.

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