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post #11 of 18 Old 08-19-2006, 09:04 AM
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I was originally going to Cichlids but now I'm not so sure...I wanted a planted tank but African Cichlids apparently aren't so good for that.
African Cichlids can be kept with certian, less palatable species of plant such as Giant Anubias, Dwarf Anubias, and Java Fern. There is however, an issue with keeping plants that should be considered. If not kept in ideal lighting, with a proper food source, and necessary CO2, the plants will begin to deteriorate. As result, your tank will experience a major increase in the amount of ammonia produced in the tank subsequently resulting in a bacterial bloom. The water will begin to take on a cloudy white appearance as the nitrosomas and nitro spira bacterias overpopulate the tank. Though the bacterial bloom is of little if any concern to the health of the fish, the appearance is quite disheartening. But the conditions that follow will be enough to drive you mad. With both the increse of food source for the bacterias, and the increase of the bacterias converting the waste from the decaying plants, your Nitrates will build at an alarming rate. Ive seen levels climb to 160ppm in only a few days. The end result, an Algae Bloom so thick that the visibility into your tank will be less than 12". Water changes will prove futile as you will see that this process takes only days to develop. An 80% water change will provide you with about 3-4 days of green free viewing before you start pulling your hair out again. and the worst part about this whole process is that very few people will be able to acurately identify the source of the problem. I learned this the hard way.

I'm not saying that this is an inevitable problem, as there are other factors that attribute to the health or demise of a plant (did you know that with an air pump, the bubbles in a tank will draw the CO2 to the surface of the tank and release it into the air, thus starving the plant), but should you experience this problem, try moving the plants to a QT and completeing 2 large water changes (80% about a week apart) and see if the conditions return.

And do your homework on keeping planted tanks. :D

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post #12 of 18 Old 08-19-2006, 09:53 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for all that info! So it sounds like I need to add CO2 to my tank if I want a healthy planted tank. How much would a tank cost and how often do you have to get it refilled? The guy at my lfs mentioned this and showed me his tank setup with CO2 and the plants were awesome, I was goint to wait on the CO2 setup but is it advised for me to definitely get one if I am going to have a planted tank? Here are three different types of CO2 systems, can you tell me the differences and recommend one (I assume you will recommend the first one):

1) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1
2) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1
3) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Produc...1&N=2004&Nty=1

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post #13 of 18 Old 08-19-2006, 10:49 AM
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I would go with number two.
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post #14 of 18 Old 08-19-2006, 12:27 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, #2 says it is good for 20gal, i have 90gal so I will need to setup like 5 of these???
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post #15 of 18 Old 08-19-2006, 12:29 PM
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No, you will not need to setup 5 of those. What i would think is to get a CO2 system that fits your tank, you say its a 90 gallon tank. Than try to get a 90 gallon CO2 system

55 Gallon:1 Baby Bristlienose,1 Swordtail, 1 Bala Shark, 2 Common Pleco, 2 Clown Loaches, 2 angel fish,3 (look a like) rasbora Tetra's, 4 Black Skirt Tetra's, 4 Long-finned Gold Zebra Danios, 4 Cardinal Jumbo Tetra's,6 Red Eye Tetra's, 7 neon tetra's
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So then #1 in my list above, flattrack?
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I would assume so but it doesnt say like what size it is for.

55 Gallon:1 Baby Bristlienose,1 Swordtail, 1 Bala Shark, 2 Common Pleco, 2 Clown Loaches, 2 angel fish,3 (look a like) rasbora Tetra's, 4 Black Skirt Tetra's, 4 Long-finned Gold Zebra Danios, 4 Cardinal Jumbo Tetra's,6 Red Eye Tetra's, 7 neon tetra's
10 Gallon Nano Reef:1 Chocolate Starfish, many snails...Work is in progress...err
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post #18 of 18 Old 08-20-2006, 01:19 AM Thread Starter
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Well its just a CO2 kit, I assume you adjust the amount of CO2 to match the size of the tank....
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