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Old 12-29-2009, 10:58 PM   #11
 
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I'm not addicted I just need different liquors to get the combination of tastes that I like LOL. J/K
Watch what you're saying now I live in a dry country alright, is not like COS here any more ...I gotta do something...so tanks it is
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Old 12-30-2009, 01:46 AM   #12
 
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Hi again Angel,

Before I get to bed, I just wanted to make sure you know that I did see this response from you earlier. It was very helpful. :) Do you use a powerhead for your sponge filter with your live plants? I thought I saw a pole that would hold a powerhead but now I looked again and don't see it in your pics. Not sure what else can be used with the larger sponge filters.

Sorry for all the questions. I am totally new to the LIVE PLANT world in fish tanks. You did mention that the airstones drive out the CO2. Does the water movement with the powerhead do the same. Maybe it is surface agitation that does that only and not just water movement down under the surface or even just under the surface. ?? I do know that you can aim the powerhead away from the surface and lesson the power.

I had two biowheels back filters and one canister and two sponge filters in my 100 gallon tank - non live plant tank. Now that I think of it, I may have only had one back filter and not two. It was the sponge filter that I know I had two of. It has been awhile.

I am sure if I do decide on live plants, I will work out the right system. After developing scented soy candles (which is not an easy task...takes lots of patience and testing), I don't mind digging in and doing lots of research.

Thanks again!

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Welcome to the forum, hope you'll enjoy yourself here!!!!

Live plants is def the way to go IMO. There's many different route you can go about this, from intense lighting and daily additions of fertilizers. To lower tech (like my tank) with appropriate plant lights and no ferts and just a regular filter. I have various different filters on my tanks due to sizes, the small tanks have Sponge filters which I love for small planted tank (eg 10g) the 45g for example has a nice working and quiet internal filter and the 55g has a Eheim canister on it.

The main reason you don't want air stone in the tank for high movement by the filter outlet is mainly due to the fact it will drive out the CO2 of the tank and the plants need that, so not driving it out enhances their growth.

Feel free to look at my tanks on the left here next to the 'user' tap is one called aquariums, you can find all my tanks with pictures there and they're all planted.

The biggest thing, regardless which way you're going to set yours up is *balance* if you have high lights you need higher/ additional nutritions for the tank, lower lights less fet's etc. But its all real simple and often the way its discussed in detail does make it seem complicated, but truthfully it is not.

Also a point that shouldn't be neglected when setting up for a planted tank is the substrate: You want to use fine gravel or sand, not these super big pebbles they sell these days at the stores, that's not too good for plants to root down.

Any questions, just ask, there's ton folks on here with planted tanks

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Old 12-30-2009, 01:50 AM   #13
 
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Thanks Eric,

This Live plant thing is sure all new to me. It makes me feel like a newbie all over again. LOL I like to learn about new things though. I will respond to more of your posts tomorrow. I am bushed.

~Holly


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I'm not addicted I just need different liquors to get the combination of tastes that I like LOL. J/K

Don't worry about gravel vacuuming a lot with live plants. The fish waste and food, as long as it is not a lot is beneficial to the plants. In an El Natural tank with no filtration at all, only plants as the filters, all the waste is left on the bottom and water changes are done once every 6 months or so. Look up Diana Walstad. She is the author of a book about her El Natural method. It's not for everyone but there is a lot of good info. It all come down to a balance. Too much waste and food can lead to problems. Having lots of plants from the start is the best situation, from what I've been gathering.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:07 AM   #14
 
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Nop, just have the sponges I posted earlier and a little bitty air pump on them, that's it, works great

You do NOT need to apologize for questions - That's what we're all here for

Planted tanks do not require a power head nor air stone or any hardcore surface movement. Either case it'll drive out the CO2, so that's not helpful. On top there's several fish that are naturally used to calm or even still standing waters so a strong current in the tank is not desirable for them neither.
To put it simple: Keep it low tech & easy in a planted tank
The other draw back IMO with powerheads, they produce a current (even when aimed under water surface) that make your plant swirl back & forth and that can hinder a proper plant growth.

Really: Planted tanks are easier to maintain and set up then non planted. Yes there's a lot of info out there and it may make it seem 'complicated' when its really not. The clear cut advantage of planted tanks is the plans act like a bio filter if you will and absorb waste in the tank to some extent and help you with the maintenance in that way. No plants in the tank, no little helpers

All you need: Sponge filter or small internal filter, fine gravel a light over the tank most home stores label as 'daylight' and add plants & water (and then of cause fish). Do weekly water exchanges and dep on your source water may be needing to add liquid fertilizers, that's it
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