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New tank help, already read sticky's!
Old 10-14-2011, 11:32 PM   #1
 
New tank help, already read sticky's!

Hey guys!

I recently started up a 10gal freshwater tank and I'm having a bit of trouble with my first batch of fish. I read the stickys and did my homework while the tank was cycling and I'm stumped. I bought my tank as part of a kit from Hagen that came with the filter, Nutrafin Cycle and Water Purifier. I followed the recommended doses on each during tank setup and allowed ~10 days with a 20% water change (treated) before adding fish. I realize this isn't even close to the amount of time it takes to cycle, however I also purchased a Hagen water test kit (Ammonia, Ph, Nitrites, Nitrates) and all results seemed to come back positive. The fish I added were:

- 3 neon tetras
- 1 red eyed tetra
- 1 large guppy (orange tail?)
- 3 baby guppies
- 1 ghost shrimp
- 1 spotted cory

So far I've lost 2 neon tetras (seemed to lose their colour), red eyed tetra (left eye seemed to be bleeding and swollen) and 1 baby guppy.. all within 3 days! I realize my tank is still in the initial phases of cycling however based on my water tests I wasn't expecting results like this! My current tank conditions after 2 weeks are:

- Temp 78-80 F
- Ph 9.0
- Ammonia 0.2 mg
- Nitrites 0.1 mg
- Nitrates 6 mg
- No live plants
- No air stones

I'm thinking I may have been a bit pre-emptive on adding the fish to begin with, and I'm kicking myself for it. Also, I'm noticing strands of the filter are finding there way into the tank, nothing larger than 1cm, but I'm still having to fish them out with the net. Pardon my ignorance, I'm learning this as I go and doing as much homework as I can ... Any help would be much appreciated!
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:58 PM   #2
 
You might want to start with filtered water. I'm been having awsome luck with a Pur sink purifier you would hook up to your sink's faucet.

Your Ph levels are way to high, 7.0-8.0 would be ideal.

Those water purifiers and dechlorinators really never get the job done completely, leaving you guessing to if your fish have longevity.

When your fish are losing color, they are reacting to the chlorine in the water; like bleach whitens whites type of issue.

Lastly your tank is waaay overstocked, fish produce a lot of waste and will quickly poison themselves if not kept in a large enough body of aqua. Especially that guppy, you need to have half the fish you stated.

Get yourself at least 20-40 gallon aquarium, ideally you would want a 50 gallon aquarium; only the really experience hobbiest should be keeping anything smaller in terms of size of aquarium.

Lastly, get yourself an air pump with water bubble- curtain/air stone; inspite of what people might think fish need the surface to be moving at all times.

Work fast dude, before your fish parish.

You have my best wishes,

Sincerely Demon.

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Old 10-15-2011, 12:05 AM   #3
 
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Tetras and Cories are shoaling fish and prefer to be in groups of at least 5, but more is always better. This means that for a 10 gallon tank, 1 shoal of tetra will pretty much fill it up and I don't think a shoal of cories would work in a 10 gallon. With your pH as high as it is, tetra will not survive, they prefer a pH below 7. Same with the cories. Guppies are your best option.

Your tetra most likely died do to stress. They were not in a big enough shoal and the pH was to high. Neon tetra are sensitive fish so they should only be added to an established tank.

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Old 10-15-2011, 01:05 AM   #4
 
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Tetras and Cories are shoaling fish and prefer to be in groups of at least 5, but more is always better. This means that for a 10 gallon tank, 1 shoal of tetra will pretty much fill it up and I don't think a shoal of cories would work in a 10 gallon. With your pH as high as it is, tetra will not survive, they prefer a pH below 7. Same with the cories. Guppies are your best option.

Your tetra most likely died do to stress. They were not in a big enough shoal and the pH was to high. Neon tetra are sensitive fish so they should only be added to an established tank.

Cory's do fine in between 7.8-5.5, no scales makes them sensitive.
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Old 10-15-2011, 01:13 AM   #5
 
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The first thing right off the bat is to get yourself an airstone. A one inch airstone at Walmart is only a dollar and change, as well as the tubing for it, is also a dollar and change. But the air pump itself might be costly. For a 10 gallon you wouldnt need a big one, so you could find one for under 10 bucks, that might come with the tubing already. Fish need the water constantly moving, and the airstone creates bubbles that agitate the surface of the water, creating oxygen..oxygen that fish need. And as long as you keep your fish in the tank while its cycling, the waste will fluctuate ammonia and nitrite/nitrate spikes for the next month. Good luck with everything!

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Old 10-15-2011, 07:46 AM   #6
 
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You might want to start with filtered water. I'm been having awsome luck with a Pur sink purifier you would hook up to your sink's faucet.
Any idea on where I can get one of these and how much they are? I was a little bit leery about the Nutrafin water purifier off the bat anyway.

Also, how can I get the pH down quickly without any dramatic or stressful effects on my fish?
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:27 AM   #7
 
You could use pH balancer OR ph Down bottles like Seachem neutral regulator. I'm sure you can find that at Petco.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:49 PM   #8
 
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If you have the funds, just get a bunch of gallons of bottled water. That's what i use, the Nestle Pure water, and I've never had any type of fluctuations or spikes. I barely even have to use the water conditioner. But luckily I have a little help with my grocery money so Im able to afford 20 bucks for 20 gallons at a time, but normally i only do 10% changes twice a month, so it's 20 bucks a month for the water. I've been having to spend a little extra this month for treating ich, though. sucks.
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:40 PM   #9
 
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You could use pH balancer OR ph Down bottles like Seachem neutral regulator. I'm sure you can find that at Petco.
No, this will almost certainly not be successful. The pH is closely tied to the hardness. Attempts to adjust pH without lowering the hardness will fail because the bicarbonate hardness acts as a buffer to maintain the pH where it is in the source (tap) water. Fluctuating pH is even worse. You can read a more thorough explanation here:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-73276/

Quickly, I agree with other members that there are too many fish in this tank. And the tetra probably succumbed to ammonia or nitrite poisoning, and the stress of the very high pH would have made this worse.

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Old 10-16-2011, 07:34 PM   #10
 
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Any idea on where I can get one of these and how much they are? I was a little bit leery about the Nutrafin water purifier off the bat anyway.

Also, how can I get the pH down quickly without any dramatic or stressful effects on my fish?

Walmart or Sams. The aqua by the gallon can be expensive, the faucet purifier is much cheaper, when you divide up the the number of gallons

Be careful about moving things around in you tank b/c that can cause a spike in PH and or nitrate levels; I've learned that the hard way.

Yea, like others have said get your self a bubble stone or a bubble curtain; that keeps the surface moving for oxgenating the aqua. The length of your aquarium.

If you can afford it, when you get your 20 gallon tank, use two 20 gallon filters, as that will keep your aquarium levels a balanced and good. For example my 50 gallon tank has two 50 gallon filters and cycles the tank once every 7 1/2 minutes; my fish are moving more and are more timid
(the males aren't attacking each other and the my Betta keeps to himself instead of attacking.)

Keep your males in a 1-3 male to female ratio, (learned that the hard way as well)

Be careful when you are adding plants; as plants can make your water acidic.


P.s. Smell your aquarium often, if it smells real fishy, 1. You need more filtration 2. Your ammonia levels are to high.

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