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Old 04-04-2011, 04:00 PM   #11
 
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Well there are no shrimp bits as I had it inside a nylon stocking tied on a string for easy removal.
I'm reluctant to put a couple of fish in such cloudy water, hoping it will clear up. If I do and a week later it's still cloudy, what then...?
I'd think, as much as I don't want to haul another 120 gallons of water, I'd rather start with clear, clean water and then go slow adding fish...?
Ah, I'd forgotten about the cloudy water. That qualifies as the "another reason...". And that may be due to bacteria from decaying shrimp.

You need a Python. The water changer I mean, not the reptile. With my 7 tanks including a 115g getting 50% water changes every week, I'd give up on the hobby without a Python.
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:14 PM   #12
 
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You need a Python. The water changer I mean, not the reptile. With my 7 tanks including a 115g getting 50% water changes every week, I'd give up on the hobby without a Python.
Yes sir, it's on my wish list and will happen soon (never an issue with 10g, but this tank is a whole new ball game - I have two dedicated buckets and lost count of the number it took to fill this tank!) ...along with the longer gravel cleaner tube/wand (this two foot deep tank is a real shirt wetter!) I need to measure to see if 25' will reach the kitchen sink (don't wanna pay for 50' if I don't have to).


Dang-just measured and need like 35', so will have to buy the 50' python version which pains my wallet backside!!! I may be haulin until I'm more rich 'n famous!

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Old 04-04-2011, 04:21 PM   #13
 
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Yes sir, it's on my wish list and will happen soon (never an issue with 10g, but this tank is a whole new ball game - I have two dedicated buckets and lost count of the number it took to fill this tank!) ...along with the longer gravel cleaner tube/wand (this two foot deep tank is a real shirt wetter!) I need to measure to see if 25' will reach the kitchen sink (don't wanna pay for 50' if I don't have to).
May I suggest you consider the Aqueon changer rather than the Python. I have had my Python since 1995, and the part that attaches to the faucet has broken (threads strip out) and had to be replaced 3 times. The last time, I had to get an Aqueon part (it will fit) because that is all they had in stock, and in my view it is better made. It also has a valve arm (to switch from draining to filling) rather than the Python format.
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:24 PM   #14
 
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May I suggest you consider the Aqueon changer rather than the Python. I have had my Python since 1995, and the part that attaches to the faucet has broken (threads strip out) and had to be replaced 3 times. The last time, I had to get an Aqueon part (it will fit) because that is all they had in stock, and in my view it is better made. It also has a valve arm (to switch from draining to filling) rather than the Python format.
Will do - same company that manufactured my new 200w heater. I'll be sure and look for it.
Thanks again,
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Old 04-04-2011, 05:25 PM   #15
 
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Yes, my research on the web suggests that often a new tank in cycling will have cloudy water as the result of a bacteria bloom and that once compete, the water will clear, often overnight.
I just wasn't expecting it and perhaps am being too impatient..However, in hindsight, I wish I had NOT put the shrimp in there.
I just want to share I had great results with using shrimp to cycle, but also saw cloudy water. I pulled the shrimp out, and it did clear on it's own, which amazed me. I did put in lots of live plants, that may/may not have contributed. My tank is almost done cycling now, which is so shocking because when I did it with fish in it took about 4 weeks. This happened in 5 days.

I agree with Byron, if you can be diligent about watching your ammonia, you can cycle without losing fish. I did not lose one fish, (Danios) doing fish in cycling.

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Old 04-04-2011, 05:27 PM   #16
 
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Will do - same company that manufactured my new 200w heater. I'll be sure and look for it.
Thanks again,
FYI - you can get that on Amazon 20' hose for $24.00. I want one too and have had my eye on getting it.

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Old 04-04-2011, 06:07 PM   #17
 
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FYI - you can get that on Amazon 20' hose for $24.00. I want one too and have had my eye on getting it.

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Thanks, but sadly I need about 35' to comfortably make it to the kitchen sink, which means I need to buy the 50' version for about $50....jeez....I could get alot of neat decor and fish for a fifty!
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Old 04-04-2011, 07:19 PM   #18
 
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You can buy extensions. I need three 25-foot lengths to go from my fish room to the utility room sink. Check into prices, not sure if getting a 50-foot is less or more than getting a 25-foot plus a 25-foot extension.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:33 PM   #19
 
Well I did the deed and changed the water!!! Now get this...I put my gravel filter hose inside a length of garden hose and ran the hose out the front door onto the front lawn. Even though it's new, I vacuumed the gravel in case there were any trapped fine particles. And in using the garden hose, it hit me that with an adapter for the sink (not unlike what is used for the Python/Aqueon and what I had a century ago for my water bed), I could use the garden hose to gravel siphon water off and hookup to the sink to refill.
Prolly cost me $5 instead of $50
Water is now crystal clear. Admittedly, my cycle starts over, but I'll go slowly with fish this time.
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:13 AM   #20
 
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On my new 60g aquarium I setup on Saturday, I was attempting the fishless shrimp cycle with one frozen raw shrimp. I had fashioned a bag of gravel from my 10g tank and used it in the new Aquaclear filter in place of charcoal (so filter has sponge, gravel, then ceramic). I added 4 capfuls of Topfin bacteria supplement and 4 capfuls of Jungle Start Right. (These are quantities are less than recommended for 60g new tank, but was taking a modest approach to these additions).
Also note that I believe we rinsed the gravel very well in colander as I realize that new gravel can often carry a lot of 'fines'..

By Sunday, the water was very cloudy and a bit foul smelling so I removed the shrimp. I added my Aquatech 5-15 power filter to the tank with a fresh filter cartridge for some extra filtration (yes I know a 5-15 is too small to carry a tank this large, but it flows a a good rate and is extra along with my AquaClear 70).

At this writing, the water is still very cloudy.

I'm thinking this may just be a bacteria bloom and I should be patient, but if it doesn't seem to clear soon, I'm thinking of partial water change or starting over!

Thoughts?
Bacteria blooms can last a week or longer.Much happens in the aquarium during the cycling process and those who believe the water should remain gin clear during this time are often dissapointed.
Patience is needed,plenty of time after the biological filter has developed to address water clarity which often resolves itself.
Removing the shrimp, stops the beneficial bacteria from developing,smell can be dealt with by performing water change. So long as filter,shrimp,substrate, aren't disturbed,,the process will continue.
Fishless cycling can also be done with pure liquid ammonia.
No need to subject fish to maturing(cycling) process.
To use fish is leaving one with ZERO margin for error. Too many fish,too large of fish,too much food,will result in a cycling tank of sick fish.
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