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New tank after Xmas, what size to get?
Old 11-23-2012, 10:05 AM   #11
 
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so it was written by Byron and his disciples that more area is less territory and space, so it shall be
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:08 AM   #12
 
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so it was written by Byron and his disciples that more area is less territory and space, so it shall be
Wow. Snarky. I've never been called a disciple before. It's a funny comment considering Jakie and I suggested the 55 before Byron even weighed in.

I have no problem with a 50 gallon tank. My personal preference is just length over width.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:56 AM   #13
 
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so it was written by Byron and his disciples that more area is less territory and space, so it shall be
Not necessarily.
Your point about total footprint size is quite valid, indeed it is precisely why I was interested in the 50 gallon tank to begin with.
You'll notice that many of the fish in my stocking list are bottom dwellers, so I was of the mind that greater square inchage would be important.
However, I am also interested in the greater length of the 55. The 48" length will fill the space I have available quite nicely, and I will admit to being callow enough that the apparent size of the 55 gallon has it's appeal.

As far as room for territories goes, does the extra 6" of depth that the 50 gallon offers compare to the extra 12" of length that the 55 supplies?
I realize that each fish would have a deeper territory, but wouldn't they be forced into tighter proximity in the 50 where in the 55 the buffer zones between territories could be larger, leading to happier denizens?

As I said, the general opinion seems to be that the 55 gallon is the better choice, but our sample size was quite small.
I think that the 55 gallon is more common, so more people have had one, or have seen one, and therefore have an opinion on one.
You yourself pointed out that my question may well be moot as Petsmart may not even carry the 50 gallon, I guess we'll find out at the next sale
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:13 AM   #14
 
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My previous comments did say that the fish should decide this question, and in addition to the species listed in the initial post there was mention made of other non-specified shoaling fish and territorial fish (gourami).

An additional foot of length is very different from an additional 6 inches of width (front to back). When considering territoriality (cichlids, gourami and such) You have to think visual lines of sight for the fish. The fish at mid-width in the tank is going to have a "territory" in its mind that extends front to back, but not likely down the full length of the tank. And the aquascape can help this by dividing up the substrate area with chunks of wood and plants.

If swimming is the issue, then again length will be the significant factor. Many years ago I had a group of five Congo Tetra in a 55g (4-feet) tank, the largest tank I then had. I now have a group of 10 in a 4-foot 90g tank. In both cases, the fish swam/swim rapidly down the length of the tank, close to the front; they care very little for the front-to-back width. Except when spawning, which they do regularly, they never venture into the back half of the 90g.

The vertical height (water depth) has very little impact. Aside from deep-bodied fish needing more vertical space to be "comfortable" and visually appealing, it is in fact irrelevant. Which is why the 20g long is a superior tank to the normal 20g high, in most cases. But rather than a 20g long, I chose a 29g; this has the same footprint, but the additional depth (height) does open up more space visually. And that is usually more visually appealing.

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Old 12-02-2012, 09:11 AM   #15
 
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I believe that I've solved the problem of 48" length vs 18" depth.
I'm going to be getting a 65 gallon tank made by a local company that is 48" long by 18" deep by 18" tall.
Pretty much the best of all possible worlds, I'd say

Once The Missus realized I was quite serious about a second tank, and realized I meant to put it on a set of industrial shelves here in my office she "suggested" I get one with a nicer stand.
Once I'd explained the length vs depth debate, and that there were solutions available, she relented

So, now I have a question on lighting .
I intend to plant this tank quite heavily, and would like to add some stem plants and some of the larger crypts and possibly some apontengens (I know that's spelled wrong)
The tank I'm getting comes in a bundle deal, and you can choose a single or a double lamped light fixture.
Both hold 4' T5 bulbs, would 2 of these be to much light for this tank?
I really don't want to faff around with CO2 and what-not.
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Old 12-02-2012, 10:18 AM   #16
 
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Pretty much the best of all possible worlds
indeed, sounds like a nice solution

light depends on if the fixtures are High Output or not, one HO will be enough for crypts an aponogeton, I've never really tried stems so not sure about that, if not HO, I would go with the two bulb
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:54 PM   #17
 
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Yes, the stem plants are the issue here. Most being fast growing naturally need more light, but then you get into the carbon (CO2) aspect. It depends a bit on which stem plants you may be considering.

I have good luck with Brazilian Pennywort in my tanks, and over all the 4-foot and even 5-foot (with 24 inch depth and 18-inch front to back width) two T8 tubes do it. But I cannot manage Hygrophila or Cabomba, although I admit in my situation this may also have to do with my very soft water. But I still think light plays a role.

A single-tube T5 fixture using an HO tube (48 inches) would provide moderate light. Very close to a dual-tube T8 (also 48-inch tubes). A dual-tube T5 will obviously open up more options, with NO tubes as Quantum suggested being probably very good. With HO tubes you might have a balance issue and algae troubles, which reduced duration may partly solve, along with thick floating plant cover.

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Old 12-29-2012, 06:04 PM   #18
 
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I went and put a deposit down on my tank today.
65 gallons, 48" long by 18" deep by 18" tall.
Hardwood stand with room for a quarantine tank and canister filter underneath.
Lights will be a dual 48" NO T5s

The cabinet maker is on vacation until the 1st of the year, and there are a couple of stands in line ahead of me, but I should still be able to pick it up by the end of January.
There's a big plant swap on the 16th of February, so as long as I'm up and running by then I'm happy.
Looking to have the first fish in by the end of February.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:42 PM   #19
 
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Oh that would kill me...ordering it and then having to wait a whole month!

least it gives you plenty of time to plan it out... and with a nice big tank theres so much you can plan and do!
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:43 PM   #20
 
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I went and put a deposit down on my tank today.
65 gallons, 48" long by 18" deep by 18" tall.
Hardwood stand with room for a quarantine tank and canister filter underneath.
Lights will be a dual 48" NO T5s

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Good choice glad the missus is understanding and you were able to get the best of both
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