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post #21 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 12:07 PM
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I think this is the best way to go about choosing what to stock your fish tank with.

1) Pick your main fish.. If it is going to be a school. a pair or two big fish. One large fish. Pick that main beautiful fish you like so you can then work everything else around it. Oscars or Cichilds. Find the breed you like best and work everything else around that.

2) Once you have your main fish picked you can find fish that are compatible with them, a smaller school fish (or if you picked a school as the main center piece....i dunno people do that...then you can pick a big fish ) you see where I am going with this.

3) Pick the cleaners and algae eaters.

I would start setting up my tank if I were the both of you lol :) Get it cycling!
Well I have to wait till I move to my next place. No need in setting everything up right now, but I am trying to get everything I will need before I move.

125Gal: 7 Silver Dollars, 1 Albino BN Plecos, 1 Green Terror, 1 Gold Severum, Red Severum, 8 Rio Cahals, and 2 Festivum

55Gal: 3 German Blue Rams, 2 Bolivian Rams, 1 Super Red Pleco, 9 Bloodfin Tetras, and 9 Oto Catfish

29Gal: Quarentine/Hospital Tank

20Gal: Female Pastel Ball Python
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post #22 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 12:08 PM
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Well I have to wait till I move to my next place. No need in setting everything up right now, but I am trying to get everything I will need before I move.
oh moving its such a pain. I just finished moving into our new place over here. Feels so good to have everything almost set up.

Do you have any tanks already set up right now?
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post #23 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 12:11 PM
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I know right! It's like: I want that tank! :) hahaha
i would swap mine today for that tank if i had the chance,i like how mine is set up right now,
not many fish keepers would,they would totally recoil at what i have done,but a new tank like that...
oh the possibilities.

when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.
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post #24 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 12:14 PM
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Angelfish have quite specific requirements when it comes to tankmates. And this works both ways.

First from the angelfish's viewpoint, any fish small enough to fit into its mouth, or even partly, will be seen as food. Angelfish are predators. Many aquarists have had them eat neon tetra and cardinal tetra, or try to. That's why the profile says the tetra in the Rosy clade in Hyphessobrycon are better, with some exceptions [more momentarily on this].

Active swimmers should not be put in a tank with angelfish. These fish, like discus and gourami, are sedate fish, cruising among fallen branches and plants. Having a bunch of fish dashing around the tank is annoying to say the least, and may stress the sedate fish. And stress brings on poor health, and angelfish sometimes refuse to eat if severely stressed. Game over. Active swimmers includes all danio and all barbs. Some characins (tetra) are in this group too, but many are not.

Now to the viewpoint of the tankmates. Many small shoaling fish are "playful" just like kittens and puppies; even peaceful species may decide the trailing fins of angelfish is too much of a temptation to pass up, and this causes stress to the angelfish. Even if no actual physical damage occurs, the signals sent out by such fish still stress the angelfish. More bad health.

Neons are known to become nippers in some situations, so this combo is bad from both perspectives. Some of the fish in the afore-mentioned Rosy clade seem to be OK, like the Roberts Tetra, Rosy Tetra, Black Phantom Tetra and Red Phantom Tetra. Other fish in this clade are notorious nippers, like the Serpae Tetra, that should never be combined with any sedate or long fin fish. Bleeding Hearts might be OK, but some members have had them attack full grown angels mercilessly.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #25 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 12:24 PM
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oh moving its such a pain. I just finished moving into our new place over here. Feels so good to have everything almost set up.

Do you have any tanks already set up right now?
I do not. I have the 125 gal, and also received a 35 gal tank with the 125 gal. So none are set up, but when I get to the new place, I plan to use the 35gal as a quarentine or hospital tank.

125Gal: 7 Silver Dollars, 1 Albino BN Plecos, 1 Green Terror, 1 Gold Severum, Red Severum, 8 Rio Cahals, and 2 Festivum

55Gal: 3 German Blue Rams, 2 Bolivian Rams, 1 Super Red Pleco, 9 Bloodfin Tetras, and 9 Oto Catfish

29Gal: Quarentine/Hospital Tank

20Gal: Female Pastel Ball Python
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post #26 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the nice comments on the tank. In the same boat as CinBos, i can't wait to get this badboy up and running.

I think I have figured out what i would like in the tank that would get along with the Angels.

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Angel Fish 8, Angelicus Loach 6, Zebra Loach 6, Whiptail catfish 5, Marbel Hatchet Fish 10, Harlequin Rasbora 15

I think this will cover the bottom, mid, and top of the tank. Do you think my numbers look ok?
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post #27 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 05:04 PM Thread Starter
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oh moving its such a pain. I just finished moving into our new place over here. Feels so good to have everything almost set up.

Do you have any tanks already set up right now?
I moved into my house almost 2 years ago and I still don't have everything set up the way i want it :)
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Thank you for the nice comments on the tank. In the same boat as CinBos, i can't wait to get this badboy up and running.

I think I have figured out what i would like in the tank that would get along with the Angels.

Looking at:

Angel Fish 8, Angelicus Loach 6, Zebra Loach 6, Whiptail catfish 5, Marbel Hatchet Fish 10, Harlequin Rasbora 15

I think this will cover the bottom, mid, and top of the tank. Do you think my numbers look ok?
I would double the hatchetfish, they are definitely better in larger groups. I had 21 of this species in my 5-foot 115g, lost a few due to jumping out when I wasn't there. Twice I left the glass open after feeding, only 2 inches on one end, but that was enough for 2 or 3 to jump ship during the night; and more than once one has jumped and managed to wedge itself between the cover glass and the mid tank brace, if you can believe it. I'm down to 14 now, will get a few more when I next find them.

Botia striata (Zebra Loach), may nip fins with angelfish. I've had this loach, back in the 1980's, and can't remember its behaviour, but it was not with angels I know that. Botia kubotai (Angelicus Loach) I have now, 5 in my 90g, and they are with Congo Tetra and I've not seen any nipping from these loaches, and they are suggested in the profile for angelfish, so this should be OK. Could up the number to 7-9. Mine amuse me often with their social interactions. Two were spawning yesterday afternoon, what a performance. The Black Ruby Barb quickly figured out what was afoot of course, and followed the pair around, gobbling up eggs as fast as they were expelled.

This has no scientific basis, just my particular preference, but I would always go with odd numbers for large fish like angels. Seven instead of eight. Sort of like having 1, 3 or 5 flowers in a vase instead of 2 or 4. Just looks better.

Byron Hosking, BMus, MA
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #29 of 54 Old 03-15-2012, 08:41 PM
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Thank you, i thought it was a pretty good deal. I really like those Vail Angel Fish, i would also like a large group of a schooling/shoaling fish. What would you recommend that would work with Angels?

yeah, and depending on what kind of school fish u like, u might like fancy guppies the males r really beautiful and sunburst's r also really pretty and both of those r "community tank" fish and will get along with others.
and remember, the more love u put in your tank and preparing it, the happier your fish will be ;)
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post #30 of 54 Old 05-03-2012, 01:28 PM Thread Starter
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I finally got the tank started. Below are the pictures, would appreciate the feedback.
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