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A new soul seeking help
Old 03-03-2010, 10:53 PM   #1
 
A new soul seeking help

Hey, everyone, I really don't like being rude and just joining a forum to ask for help, but I'm hoping the lives in question may make up for it.


I very recently (about 36 hours ago) went to the store and purchased a 1.5 gallon tank, and 6 small goldfish ranging from 1-3.5 inches, unfortunately they did not make any comment about the complete uncompatibility.

I have not owned a fish, and did not realize that this tank would be unbelievably too small for these fish.

They have been very lightly blowing bubbles, at the top, it does not seem very frequent, but it is happening.

The tank has a small rock filter that has air go through it creating bubbles in a channel to the top, I don't know how well this filter is or anything, but I'm just trying to give the best description I can of the conditions.


All 6 of the fish are very actively swimming around, and don't seem sluggish in any way.


MY question here is that I can get a 10 gallon tank tomorrow from a friend of mine, but I don't know how long these fish seem to have in the terrible conditions I put them in.

Does anyone think they have little to no chance of surviving another 12-20 hours, or does it seem like they do have a pretty decent shot at it?


I would love to hear from anyone who is even slightly knowledgeable on the topic, as I really hate to think of torturing and killing 6 innocent and beautiful fish.


Thank you to anyone who may or may not help.
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:01 PM   #2
 
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Welcome to the forums!

I would get the 10 gallon tank, but there will be a lot of other problems...

The tank isn't cycled, for one thing.
You will need to do frequent major water changes daily to every other day for several weeks.
(The beneficial bacteria need to populate the tank)

Also, many of the topics here eventually come to the same conclusion- never trust the people at the fish store.

Overpopulation generally doesn't kill quickly... I think your fish will probably be okay until tomorrow.
(do a search for "the nitrogen cycle")
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:03 PM   #3
 
10 gallons is nowhere near enough for even 1 goldfish, they are very messy fish and need...brace yourself 20 gallons for the first one then 10 gallons for each additional one soo for your 6 fish you would need at least a 70 gallon tank. But there is a bright side with a ten gallon you could easily get some other types of fish that would work great! Like a school of neon tetras and some dwarf corries for example. Hope this helps

Phil :)
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:09 PM   #4
 
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Welcome to the forums!

I would get the 10 gallon tank, but there will be a lot of other problems...

The tank isn't cycled, for one thing.
You will need to do frequent major water changes daily to every other day for several weeks.
(The beneficial bacteria need to populate the tank)

Also, many of the topics here eventually come to the same conclusion- never trust the people at the fish store.

Overpopulation generally doesn't kill quickly... I think your fish will probably be okay until tomorrow.
(do a search for "the nitrogen cycle")

Well, it looks like the 10 gallon I can get may be coming with a filtration and heating system, but my room is a constant 72-85 degress, so it seemed like they would like the temperature, I unfortunately probably can't get larger than a 25-30 gallon tank at best with my space, but I would like to get a tank in that range as soon as I could, I have seen all of the gigantic goldfish, but I'm pretty ignorant of fish, which is a stupid move when buying fish, but it was somehow an impulse decision.

I had hoped that these fish since they seemed to all be smaller would stay in the under 4 inch range, but its looking like they dont quite have that tendency, from what I'm reading, all goldfish if kept alive and health will n eventually grow to the large sizes, maybe someone can re-assure me that that is in fact correct?


If so, do you think that the 6 goldfish would be able to survive in the 10 gallon tank at their curren size for possibly up to 2 months until i can get a largert 25-35 gallon tank?


And thanks alot for the help and being so welcoming to some jerk coming in to ask for help for his own ignorance lol.
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:21 PM   #5
 
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I don't know if you're totally married to the idea of having goldfish, but maybe you could return them to the store you bought them from in exchange for something more suitable? I know my LFS does this. You could find something that will work better with the space that you have for now.

Good luck!!
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:27 PM   #6
 
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I am kind of lost as to your room temperature. How can it be a constant 72-85 degrees. There is nothing constant about that. Goldfish are cool water fish and a room temp of 70 -72 degrees would suffice them with no heater needed. 85 is way too warm. Even for tropical fish that require a heated tank, 85 is too high. So what is the temp of your room again, please?
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:29 PM   #7
 
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I don't know if you're totally married to the idea of having goldfish, but maybe you could return them to the store you bought them from in exchange for something more suitable? I know my LFS does this. You could find something that will work better with the space that you have for now.

Good luck!!
I would strongly reccomend this also. Maybe get some orange platies since they look kind of like goldfish?
Livebearers are typically cheap (platies, guppies, swordtails, mollies) and are easy to keep.

Oh, there are yellow swordtails too.
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:32 PM   #8
 
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I don't know if you're totally married to the idea of having goldfish, but maybe you could return them to the store you bought them from in exchange for something more suitable? I know my LFS does this. You could find something that will work better with the space that you have for now.

Good luck!!
Well, in response to the space I have now I will be getting at least a 10 gallon tank tomorrow, so hopefully that is livable for them until I can get what looks like a 25 gallon or larger I'm lining up from someone else hopefully soon.

I would love to be able to have the 6 goldfish be able to be healthy in the larger tank(I really think its 30, but I have no idea, it's hard for me to figure out just by having looked at it earlier) for maybe up to a year, at which point I would be able to, and more than happy to get say, a 50-100 gallon tank.

I unfortunately fell in love with these particular 6 goldfish themselves, not even the idea of goldfish themselves, so its pretty much either them, or if I can't keep them I'll go back to not having fish.


I also have another question for further down the line, again sorry for bothering everyone so much right off the bat, but I figure its better to ask now than after I make a mistake.


Once I have the 25-35 tank, and especially when I have a 50-100 gallon tank, would it be possible to have other smaller fish living with the goldfish. I don't know much about what fish can live in what conditions, and with what other fish happily, but if I could have some small fish to add to what seems like would be a large empty aquarium to me it would seem very nice.

I sadly like how it looks having the six fish in their tortured environment only because they seem so active(but I know its against their will which ruins is) and it seems like the tank is very lively and not just empty water. If I were to have a 30 gallon tank with just a half dozen small(for now) goldfish it would seem very empty and lonely, so if I could introduce perhaps smaller fish that would need less space and be able to co-exist with the goldfish I would love to do that!


Thanks again for all of your help!
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:37 PM   #9
 
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I am kind of lost as to your room temperature. How can it be a constant 72-85 degrees. There is nothing constant about that. Goldfish are cool water fish and a room temp of 70 -72 degrees would suffice them with no heater needed. 85 is way too warm. Even for tropical fish that require a heated tank, 85 is too high. So what is the temp of your room again, please?
Well, 90% of the time the rooms ambient temperature is 72-74 degrees.
10% of the time it is between 75 and I have very very seldomly seen ad high as 85, but that is directly above my computers and such, the temperature where the fish themselves are, I would have to say ranges from 72-75 at max probably, I can keep my thermometer over by them to be sure, but it should be in that range.

Where I had gone, they just said that the fish are comfortable in temperatures above 70 degrees, which now seems like it may have been quite off, but 90, or probably more like 95% of the day the temperature is between 72-74 degrees, and where they are, I don't see the temperature raising above 74 or 75, and with the short periods of time it would be raised, I don't know if it would have long enough to raise the temperature of the water itself, especially once it's a 10 gallon tank or larger.
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Old 03-04-2010, 03:42 AM   #10
 
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Well, take back the gold fish and tell them they are idiots but use stronger language of course and demand a refund. You might be able to fit 1 in the 10g tank for a while. Or with the money you get back buy some other types of fish that are more suitable for a 10g tank *after you cycle your tank*. Read up on cycling tanks and research/ask here if the fish you are interested in will be okay in the 10g tank. Don't rush into it. Your tank will take at least a couple weeks to cycle.
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