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Old 10-10-2010, 07:49 PM   #1
 
New Here with 60 Gallon Tank

Hi!

I'm new here (introduced myself in the appropriate place), and currently researching and planning what I can place in my 60 gallon aquarium.

My absolute must haves are a pair of pearl gouramis since they are my favorite fish. I'd also like a pair of angelfish and a shoal of some kind. My hubby has requested a shark, so I would appreciate suggestions on something that won't get big. If I have room, I'd also like a couple of sunburst platys. And I suppose I need a bottom feeder?

Do you think these fish could live together peacefully?

Thanks!

(I realize I will be introducing fish slowly...)

Just wanted to add that the pearls did great in previous aquariums I've had.

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Old 10-10-2010, 08:32 PM   #2
 
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I'm seeing a few issues here. We'll go ahead and say you're including the Pearl Gourami since you said they're a must. The pearls are fairly aggressive fish (all Gouramis are) and so, they'll probably rule the tank. This makes them less than ideal tankmates with angels, especially since the angels are shoaling fish. They'll want to be in a group of five or more unless you've found a dedicated pair.

A single shark might be possible in a 60g depending on the species. I'd look into a single Rainbow Shark. This fish pretty much precludes you from having other bottom species as the profile on our site suggests. Just click the name of the fish when it's highlighted in blue. I'd also add this fish last, giving the tank a bit of time to mature before introducing.

As for the Sunburst Platys, they're livebearers and tend to like hard, basic water. The opposite of your gouramis (the angels too). I'd get your tap water checked (often this information can be found online) and work from there. If you're soft and neutral to acidic I'd run with the gouramis. If you're hard and basic then work with the Platys as a base. You CAN change your water, but it's usually less than healthy for the fish, expensive, or otherwise problematic. I'd leave it alone and work with what you've got, at least for a first tank.

I'm going to assume that you're going with the Gouramis over anything else and that your tap water will work for this next part.

In a 60g with two Pearl Gouramis and a Rainbow Shark you have several options for a shoal (or two or three). I'd look into mostly slightly larger species (they'll look less tasty to the shark). Check out Tetras and Rasboras as the groups your shoals are likely to come from. The Pristella Tetra is beautiful and easy to care for, the Scissortail Rasbora is a bit larger (6" full grown) and wouldn't likely be bothered by the shark or the gouramis.

Flick through the profiles and find fish that are 1) Easy to care for 2) Share water parameters with the shark and gouramis and 3) are going to be big enough to not look tasty to the shark (no ember tetras need apply). Good luck.
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Old 10-10-2010, 08:49 PM   #3
 
Well, if the shark is going to be a problem, we'll ditch the shark. :) I was hoping that there was some kind of shark out there that stayed really small.

Anyway, I used to keep a 30 gallon tank for years, and I never found pearl gouramis to be aggressive. And reading up on this fish, I find the web lit to be very divided over this fish as far as aggression goes, so I'm going to hope for a non-aggressive pearl as I've had in the past. The only problem I remember is my angel fish getting big enough to eat my neons.

And I'll hope that I get a pair of angel fish who just love each other. haha

I will look into the shoaling fish that you mention. Thanks very much.
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Old 10-10-2010, 09:00 PM   #4
 
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You're welcome. I've found it best to plan for the worst when the community is divided over the aggressiveness of a particular fish.

I would say that a plan of hoping for the best in regards to the angels is not a good plan. Either get a pair that has already bred together (so you know they're a pair) or get a shoal of five little ones. Do it for the angels. If you get the five little ones you're likely to end up with a pair in the end and can rehome the other three.

Really, I would suggest avoiding angels and gouramis together.
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Old 10-10-2010, 09:15 PM   #5
 
Well, since I've always had an angel and pearl in the past and they always got along, do you think it's because I generally only had one of each?

I need to read up more on these fish. :)
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:06 PM   #6
 
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I don't know why the two would get along. Sometimes you just get peaceful fish, but you can't count on it. Keeping angels by themselves especially will make them feel a bit insecure and stressed. I check the profiles out and see what they say.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:44 PM   #7
 
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First off, a warm welcome (birdlover6) to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

Burnsbabe has given good advice with which I agree. I'd like to expand on a couple things that may be helpful.

First off, fish are something like people; there are generalities that apply to the majority, but there are often those fish/individuals who do not conform. Continuing solely with fish, sometimes it is environmental--the tank size, the water parameters, the tankmates, the lack of "expected" things like wood, caves, plants...all sorts of issues can affect fish behaviour. But there is the fish's natural instincts, and we cannot change that. So it is always best to recognize and provide for the probables.

With respect to gourami, the larger species are in many ways like cichlids in temperament; and just as the larger gourami species should never be mixed in the same tank unless it is very large, so also they should not be in with cichlids like angels and discus. If you read our profile of the Pearl Gourami, it mentions not having fish larger the the gourami in the same tank for the better health (probable) of the gourami; and at 6 inches, angels are slightly larger than pearles that will attain 5 inches if well maintained.

On the angels, they should always be acquired in a group of at least 5 unless they are a confirmed pair (male/female). Otherwise, I can assure you they will--assuming they are healthy and in the proper environment--establish a social structure of dominance/submission and in a group less than 5 the submissive fish will be hounded to an early death. A group of 5 or more prevents this, usually, by ensuring that aggression will be spread around naturally. The result will be healthier fish. Acquiring two angels, sex unknown (and at the small size often offered in stores this is next to impossible to determine), has a 95% chance of being a failure. Please don't jeopardize the fish.

In a 60g, which I assume will be 4 feet in length, you could have a small group of Pearls, one male and 2-3 females. This would lessen aggression on the females, and if they have a suitable environment as noted in the profile, the fish would (or should) be happy and healthy. We now know that stress in fish, just as in humans, causes all sorts of health problems by weakening the immune system. Stress can be caused by inappropriate water parameters, water instability, the wrong aquascape, or unsuitable tankmates. All of these essential conditions are referenced in our fish profiles.

I agree that there is a lot of conflicting information out there. In writing many of the profiles on this forum I carry out very extensive research in an attempt to provide the most reliably accurate information on the fish. I take this to be the consensus of knowledgeable ichthyologists, and in the cases where there may exist a contrary opinion held by several, it is so noted. You can access the profiles via the second tab from the left in the blue bar at the top of the screen, or directly by clicking on the shaded name of a fish or plant in posts.

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Old 10-11-2010, 04:59 PM   #8
 
Thank you for taking the time to answer, Byron.

If I must choose, I will definitely go with the pearl gouramis, so I suppose the angel fish are out, as well!

I think one male pearl and two females are a good plan. Unfortunately, they're not always easy to find, but I'm not ready for them, anyway! (However, I do live in a major urban area, and am wiling to go searching for them. :)

Would you recommend trying some neon blue dwarf gouramis in the same aquarium?

(And yes, my aquarium is 48" long.)

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Old 10-11-2010, 06:21 PM   #9
 
Burnsbabe, I've been studying what's in your 55g, and I was wondering if all those fish will happily live in a 55g or whether you will have to move to a larger aquarium. Do you have photos here?
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Old 10-11-2010, 07:00 PM   #10
 
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Thank you for taking the time to answer, Byron.

If I must choose, I will definitely go with the pearl gouramis, so I suppose the angel fish are out, as well!

I think one male pearl and two females are a good plan. Unfortunately, they're not always easy to find, but I'm not ready for them, anyway! (However, I do live in a major urban area, and am wiling to go searching for them. :)

Would you recommend trying some neon blue dwarf gouramis in the same aquarium?

(And yes, my aquarium is 48" long.)
I would not recommend the dwarf gourami with the pearl. As noted in our profile of the dwarf, it should not be kept with other gourami. There are also serious health issues with this species; unless you have a reputable local breeder, they are probably best avoided [this also is mentioned in the profile].

I would build the tank around a group of pearls; they really are beautiful fish and this could be a stunning display. Lots of plants, including floating; wood and branches, a dark substrate. Minimal filtration to maintain very slow water movement. For substrate fish, there are several loach species that are peaceful and remain under 4-5 inches, and a shoaling fish so a group of whichever species, say 5-6. You'll find several suitable in our profiles under cyprinids. Or Corydoras cats.

For upper/mid-water fish, I would not use platies or other livebearers simply due to different water parameters--and I'm assuming soft to medium-hard, slightly acidic for the gourami and loaches. Any of the mid-size rasbora would complement; danio tend to be active, not something the pearls would appreciate [the loaches get by this by being lower down in the water column]. Some of the mid-size barbs are peaceful--the Black Ruby is a beauty, if you want some colour (thinking of replacements for the platy mentioned earlier). Or from the characin group, some of the Rosy Tetra clade [Hyphessobrycon species, like Rosy Tetra, Roberts Tetra, Bleeding Heart Tetra, etc]. These are more sedate which again suits the gourami.

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