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New Guy: Nitrite Problem "Fish In" Cycling Tank
Old 07-22-2010, 10:02 PM   #11
 
Don't know why it didn't post my last reply. Did a 40% water change tonight, about 3 & 1/2 hrs ago. Just tested the water again. Amm - .50ppm, Nitrites - 2ppm, Nitrates - 5 ppm. So I reduced the Nitrites and Nitrates but went up .25 in Ammonia.

I just don't know what to do. Couldn't buy Prime tonight - get paid tomorrow. I guess I'll do another WC tomorrow night and add Prime and hope for the best. Removed the Aq. Salt as recommended. The tiny hole in his fin became a ragged tear.

Maybe he's catching it on the driftwood? Too much to hope I guess. I'll just have to do daily 10% water changes until the tank cycles and hope he makes it. Thanks for all of your help and advice, it means a lot. I'm kind of attached to the little guy, I hope this all works out as well as it can.

Excellent planted tanks by the way. Simply beautiful. Something to shoot for in the future.

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Old 07-22-2010, 11:01 PM   #12
 
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One betta in a 10g with live plants should not have a problem with ammonia or nitrite. And aside from the fin, he is looking "normal?" I'm wondering if your tests may be out for one of a few reasons. If nitrite really was at 2, any fish in the tank--if still alive--would be showing signs of it.

At this point I would ride it out.
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:08 AM   #13
 
Looks as normal as can be. Active, swims a lot, eats fine - even "begs" for more - reacts when I get close to the glass. Stopped flaring his gills at me and near the filter. Watched him last night and he does swim under the Mopani wood occasionally but I didn't see him catch his fins.

I've kind of come to the same conclusion about riding it out. As long as I keep the WC's up, no matter what's going on - he should be Ok (I hope). Just wish i knew all of this before I got him as a door prize.

Thanks again. You must get this stuff all the time.

How long does it take you to get a tank as lush as the ones you have pics of in your profile? I'll have to check out the "Planted Tank" section of this forum. You just can't beat that color.
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:27 PM   #14
 
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How long does it take you to get a tank as lush as the ones you have pics of in your profile? I'll have to check out the "Planted Tank" section of this forum. You just can't beat that color.
Thank you. From scratch (with store bought plants as opposed to your own from an existing tank) anywhere from 2-5 months. If everything is in sync. Full spectrum/cool blue combination lighting helps as it does not distort colours.

I have one Echinodorus macrophyllus that is more than 12 years old, the far left in my 115g, with two daughter plants from last year also in that tank. The three Echinodorus bleherae I've had for almost two years, they have had growth spurts a few times, and this spring sent out several inflorescences (flower spikes) with many daughter plants.
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:25 PM   #15
 
Well, one thing at a time. My Betta is normal in all aspects except for a vicious case of fin rot. I'm guessing that's him reacting to the nitrite levels. I bought the Prime and I'll do another 40% WC tomorrow using it, so hopefully the fin rot stops.

Wanted to ask you - one of my java ferns has a white, fuzzy substance around half of it's roots. Should I remove this when I do the WC - do you think it might be harmful to the fish? There's a tiny bit of fuzz around one of the other roots as well. The leaves seem to be mostly Ok, though some are turning brownish. The roots are spreading fairly well in only a week.

From now on, I won't be buying plants from PetCo. I just didn't know where else to get aquatic plants from. Found a place that's supposed to be good. Will look for more there. I only have API Leaf Zone plant food because I heard java ferns are hardy and easily kept compared to some other freshwater plants.

Any info would of course be helpful. Showed your tanks to my girlfriend by the way- she loved them. And now my skill as an aquarist and aquatic plant keeper look sad in comparison of course, but I figured you'd like to know she "oohed" and "aahed" at the pics. Good stuff.

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Old 07-24-2010, 11:33 PM   #16
 
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If the "fuzzy" stuff is the rock wool that plants frequently are grown in, it won't hurt, but it is good to remove as much of it as you can. Remember that Java Fern do not get planted in the substrate; they must be affixed to wood or rock (you can use black cotton thread to hold them until they attach themselves which they will do). If the rhizome is buried, it will usually rot and the plant dies.

The Leaf Zone will probably be sufficient for JF. But any higher plants probably not. I've written on this many times, but if you need suggestions for the future, just ask.

Thanks again for the compliments on the tanks. I hope they show that planted aquaria are not difficult nor expensive to have; it just takes a bit of knowledge in providing the basics that the plants need, same as keeping healthy fish.
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Old 07-25-2010, 02:53 PM   #17
 
Thanks for the rock wool info. There was a gel-like brownish substance all the roots were in when I bought them. I did remove as much as I could but I guess I missed some. The JFs are attached to the driftwood I bought, not in the substrate. I tied two of them to the wood with dental floss and slightly wedged the other three into larger crevasses in the wood.

Just tested the current water and the Ammonia is between 0 & .25, good. The Nitrites are still showing up at 2ppm, and Nitrates at 5ppm. So I guess the levels staying the same (or better in the case of the Ammonia) from the last big WC is a good sign. I'm gonna do another 40% change as soon as the new water reaches the temp of the tank (out of the tap, faucet set all the way to cold - water came in at 81 degrees). I conditioned with Prime this time, so I think we're headed in the right direction, finally.

Put the feeding to once a day too. Once the Prime is in the tank for a few hours, I'll test again later tonight or even tomorrow night. The results will still show up the same I believe - it doesn't remove the Nitrite and Nitrate just detoxifies, right?

Then I'll do a gallon WC every other day with Prime maybe for a week. Then stick to weeklies and keep testing. Maybe add some more plants soon. Probably just basics for now though. I would need at least a new light bulb for the hood, at best a new hood with two bulbs. Right now it's just regular fluorescent for viewing.

Thanks again.

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Old 07-25-2010, 04:45 PM   #18
 
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Correct on Prime's working.

You don't want two tubes over a 10g, you will have uncontrollable algae. One tube is sufficient, a full spectrum or daylight with a kelvin rating of around 6500K will be fine.
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Old 07-26-2010, 09:00 PM   #19
 
Update. Sorry, this should probably be on another post but I figured you might be curious.

Ammonia - 0ppm, Nitrite - .25ppm, Nitrate - 5ppm, PH 6.8. Looks like the 40% WC last night helped a ton and with the Prime the water should be just about fine for the Betta. I was gonna do every-other-day WCs but now I'm thinking I should wait until Sunday - maybe test the water every other day.

I'm probably going to post the stats and history on the 'diseases' thread to see if I should be doing any more for his fin rot. It's not pretty. Shredded ends, two holes from yesterday have become three. I'm hoping it was a reaction to the water and it will heal but I'm still worried.

Thanks again for all your help. I'll post pics when I figure out how and get a nice plant base going, maybe some community fish when I'm sure the water is good and whatever is bothering the Betta is cured. Have to take care of that first.
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Old 07-27-2010, 01:12 AM   #20
 
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Update. Sorry, this should probably be on another post but I figured you might be curious.

Ammonia - 0ppm, Nitrite - .25ppm, Nitrate - 5ppm, PH 6.8. Looks like the 40% WC last night helped a ton and with the Prime the water should be just about fine for the Betta. I was gonna do every-other-day WCs but now I'm thinking I should wait until Sunday - maybe test the water every other day.

I'm probably going to post the stats and history on the 'diseases' thread to see if I should be doing any more for his fin rot. It's not pretty. Shredded ends, two holes from yesterday have become three. I'm hoping it was a reaction to the water and it will heal but I'm still worried.

Thanks again for all your help. I'll post pics when I figure out how and get a nice plant base going, maybe some community fish when I'm sure the water is good and whatever is bothering the Betta is cured. Have to take care of that first.

Testing the water each day will be helpful to keep track of ammonia levels as well as nitrites which are equally toxic to your fish. Even at .25 these toxins are uncomfortable for the fish.(stress)
Would stick with frequent water changes to keep these toxins in check and to also help the fish heal from finrot which is often a result of poor water quality (toxins).
Fish do not normally become Ill overnight ,and water changes will improve the fishes enviornment allowing the fishes immune system to once again become strong enough to combat most health issues much like our own immune system does.
While some medications may be helpful in stopping a particular bacterial pathogen,fungus, from spreading, It is the fishes immune system that helps the fish to heal and it doesn't happen overnight, but over days,weeks.
If the fishes enviornment is suffering, then all the medications one wishes to use will have little effect and in some cases, only creates more issues further stressing already sick fish.
As mentioned,fish don't usually become Ill over night ,nor do they heal overnight. maintaing good water quality will go a long way in preventing fish from becoming sick and that means less money spent on medications,and more money for fish.
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